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by api 1y ago

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water-data-dude 1y ago
I feel like some of the angels would probably be able to calculate very large primes easily. I’m not an angeloligist, but maybe the ones that are wheels all covered in eyes.
- extra88 1y ago
  Feels like profiling to say someone with the name Metatron would be good at math.
  - MonkeyClub 1y ago
    If the CPU is the throne, the GPU is right next to the throne. </cryptic>
- lo_zamoyski 1y ago
  Angelic intellects exist in the aevum. They are incorporal. They have no need to engage in discursive reasoning like we do, no need to calculate.
  - wahern 1y ago
    That's the pre-Renaissance, theological idea of angels. I would presume the OP probably knows that given their esoteric reference to Ophanim (TIL! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ophanim https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ophanim), but also understands that the vast majority of people, including Christians, have a metaphysical conception of angels primarily informed by comic books and films.
    - 1659447091 1y ago
      > conception of angels primarily informed by comic books and films. Dogma was a great/funny film. Looking at the Ophanim link and related pictures reminded me of Contact(1997), not great+boring imo, but your comment reminded me of the wheel thing in the movie, and now I wonder if it was something intended (being a heavenly chariot and all) I could have easily missed it — or if that is just a coincidence
  - singleshot_ 1y ago
    They might have no “need” to do so, but aren’t we aware of at least one of theses beasts that exists more or less only to fuck with people?
  - smithkl42 1y ago
    Maybe kinda analogous to the difference between declarative and imperative languages. They (supposedly) don't do step-by-step reasoning to get at the truth, they just "see" it. Like the old story about Bhaskara's proof of the Pythagorean Theorem being, just, "Behold."
Der_Einzige 1y ago
Of course they would have money in heaven. Some people are in a little bit more of a paradise than others I guess...
klipt 1y ago
Is that how the rich men are squeezing into heaven these days? "It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of the needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven" There's a theory that the eye of the needle was a narrow gate in Jerusalem's city wall that was notoriously hard for camels to squeeze through. But seems the hard evidence for that is limited.
- mullingitover 1y ago
  > There's a theory that the eye of the needle was a narrow gate in Jerusalem's city wall This is a very debunked myth, brought to you by people who are desperate to avoid Christianity's clear proscription on hoarding wealth.
  - lazide 1y ago
    Can you imagine how many indulgences a billion dollars could buy? Hey, enough billions and you might even be able to buy your own gospel!
    - hinkley 1y ago
      Emperor Constantine has entered the chat. King James has entered the chat. Henry VIII has entered the chat.
  - lo_zamoyski 1y ago
    To be clear, it isn’t wealth per se that is taught is evil, but attachment to it and pining for it. The prosperity gospel demonstrates this perverse and unhealthy lust for riches. Many don’t pay attention to the fuller context. And Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly, I say to you, only with difficulty will a rich person enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.” When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished, saying, “Who then can be saved?” But Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.” The rich only make up a very small percentage of any society, so why would the disciples ask “Who then can be saved?”. They ask, because it isn’t wealth per se, but attachment and greed. The poor and modest in possessions, who made up most of Christ’s disciples, were vulnerable to the very same vice. Experience confirms this. Look at the aspirations of the poor in our societies. They are often vulgar, base, and materialistic.
er4hn 1y ago
Only if you can also take the worldwide network and infrastructure that make it possible. Though a room full of human computers processing math out loud to send wealth around seems more associated with another part of the afterlife ;)
JKCalhoun 1y ago
I feel like they accept crypto in Hell only.

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by api 1y ago

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I feel like some of the angels would probably be able to calculate very large primes easily. I’m not an angeloligist, but maybe the ones that are wheels all covered in eyes.

extra88 1y ago
Feels like profiling to say someone with the name Metatron would be good at math.
- MonkeyClub 1y ago
  If the CPU is the throne, the GPU is right next to the throne. </cryptic>
lo_zamoyski 1y ago
Angelic intellects exist in the aevum. They are incorporal. They have no need to engage in discursive reasoning like we do, no need to calculate.
- wahern 1y ago
  That's the pre-Renaissance, theological idea of angels. I would presume the OP probably knows that given their esoteric reference to Ophanim (TIL! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ophanim https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ophanim), but also understands that the vast majority of people, including Christians, have a metaphysical conception of angels primarily informed by comic books and films.
  - 1659447091 1y ago
    > conception of angels primarily informed by comic books and films. Dogma was a great/funny film. Looking at the Ophanim link and related pictures reminded me of Contact(1997), not great+boring imo, but your comment reminded me of the wheel thing in the movie, and now I wonder if it was something intended (being a heavenly chariot and all) I could have easily missed it — or if that is just a coincidence
- singleshot_ 1y ago
  They might have no “need” to do so, but aren’t we aware of at least one of theses beasts that exists more or less only to fuck with people?
- smithkl42 1y ago
  Maybe kinda analogous to the difference between declarative and imperative languages. They (supposedly) don't do step-by-step reasoning to get at the truth, they just "see" it. Like the old story about Bhaskara's proof of the Pythagorean Theorem being, just, "Behold."

Der_Einzige 1y ago

Of course they would have money in heaven. Some people are in a little bit more of a paradise than others I guess...

klipt 1y ago

Is that how the rich men are squeezing into heaven these days? "It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of the needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven" There's a theory that the eye of the needle was a narrow gate in Jerusalem's city wall that was notoriously hard for camels to squeeze through. But seems the hard evidence for that is limited.

mullingitover 1y ago
> There's a theory that the eye of the needle was a narrow gate in Jerusalem's city wall This is a very debunked myth, brought to you by people who are desperate to avoid Christianity's clear proscription on hoarding wealth.
- lazide 1y ago
  Can you imagine how many indulgences a billion dollars could buy? Hey, enough billions and you might even be able to buy your own gospel!
  - hinkley 1y ago
    Emperor Constantine has entered the chat. King James has entered the chat. Henry VIII has entered the chat.
- lo_zamoyski 1y ago
  To be clear, it isn’t wealth per se that is taught is evil, but attachment to it and pining for it. The prosperity gospel demonstrates this perverse and unhealthy lust for riches. Many don’t pay attention to the fuller context. And Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly, I say to you, only with difficulty will a rich person enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.” When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished, saying, “Who then can be saved?” But Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.” The rich only make up a very small percentage of any society, so why would the disciples ask “Who then can be saved?”. They ask, because it isn’t wealth per se, but attachment and greed. The poor and modest in possessions, who made up most of Christ’s disciples, were vulnerable to the very same vice. Experience confirms this. Look at the aspirations of the poor in our societies. They are often vulgar, base, and materialistic.

er4hn 1y ago

Only if you can also take the worldwide network and infrastructure that make it possible. Though a room full of human computers processing math out loud to send wealth around seems more associated with another part of the afterlife ;)

JKCalhoun 1y ago

I feel like they accept crypto in Hell only.