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xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app
- bognition 1y agoI can't help but think this means that all my telegram conversations will now be fed into grok. I'm curious how I'd go about verifying that this is or isn't going to be the case.
- mlinhares 1y agoWhy wouldn't you automatically assume this is the case?
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- yladiz 1y agoI wouldn’t trust X or Elon Musk, and $300M is the kind of money that you can ask for a lot of things from the recipient.
- jaoane 1y agoIt’s not X or Elon musk that you have to trust with regards to the privacy of your telegram conversations.
- rvnx 1y agoYes it's some rich Russian dude trading with Elmo.
- qingcharles 1y agoFTFY. Yes, it's some ̵r̵i̵c̵h̵ ̵R̵u̵s̵s̵i̵a̵n̵ ̵d̵u̵d̵e̵ ̵t̵r̵a̵d̵i̵n̵g̵ ̵w̵i̵t̵h̵ Russian president calling Elmo.
- herbst 1y agoBecause it's expensive and telegram already is bot traffic to a large portion (channels, bots, ...) that would be completely useless for training.
- mdhb 1y agoNo I am sure the fine and morally upstanding leadership of xAI are paying $300M just for the fun of it.
- egypturnash 1y agoI'm thinking about most of my communications on Telegram and it's kind of hilarious to imagine it suddenly starting to reply to people on Xitter with unsolicited horny furry roleplay instead of unsolicited white supremacist rants. Not so hilarious that it doesn't make me want to consider trying to convince all my circles to move to a community-run Matrix server or something though.
- alphager 1y agoSeeing that telegram is clear text by default, you should consider alternatives that offer end to end encryption by default.
- harg 1y agoIt's not clear text by default, it's just not end-to-end encrypted. Messages are still encrypted between client and server. I agree about considering alternatives though.
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- jazzyjackson 1y agoOk so theyre plaintext on the server, encrypted in transit just means https
- crop_rotation 1y ago> Messages are still encrypted between client and server. This is just a clever way of saying they use TLS, which I would be shocked if any mainstream app is not using.
- malfist 1y agoDon't look under the hood at sms then
- crop_rotation 1y agoSMS is never claiming to be E2E nor is any army of SMS defenders online talking about how some virtue of SMS is almost same as E2E. While I don't like Telegram I will happily admit it is better than SMS, but how is that an argument for anything.
- Sohcahtoa82 1y agoSMS isn't an app, it's a protocol that was created in 1992.
- numpad0 1y agoYeah, sounds like they finally accepted that tweets don't make LLM smarter, only less biased, and so they're doubling down to feed more tweet-like data to make it smart and biased.
- Molitor5901 1y agoDid you have an expectation of privacy using Telegram? I think that's the real issue here. If you were paying for Telegram, then I would say yes, those conversation should not be handed over to xAI. But, if you were ostensibly not paying for it, then I think it should be assumed that use of the service is considered consent to take that and use it as they please. So yeah, it's almost certain that everything you ever put into Telegram is in Grok.
- dgellow 1y agoThat’s not at all how consent works
- timewizard 1y agoLooks like we're at the point where it's both convenient and useful to destroy and recreate entirely new digital identities every few months. The only cheap way out for users is to generate noise. Clog up their systems with useless data.
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- afavour 1y agoFeels oh so telling that xAI has to pay Telegram and not the other way around. If these offerings were so great wouldn't we all be clamoring for it?
- apercu 1y agoCompletely agree, but another way to look at it is that Elmo is using someone else's money anyway...
- fallingknife 1y agoDoesn't feel much different than Google paying for being the default in browsers
- toomuchtodo 1y agoNo different. It is an attempt to prime the pump to stoke valuations. The product is the stock price go up, the illusion of value creation is the work. "Please Use." If people aren't paying for it, and you have to pay them to use it, what is the value? Russ Hanneman Silicon Valley pre revenue rant meme here
- swyx 1y agoi get what youre saying but there are impt differences: 1) search is much cheaper to serve than chat 2) chat is a less frequent usecase 3) google paid for entry into a locked ecosystem (apple. also to appear like they are not a monopoly). telegram is far from locked.
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- fhd2 1y ago4) Search already has working monetisation through ads. They can acquire users at profit, as opposed to at a loss.
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- amadeuspagel 1y ago> xAI will pay $300 million in cash and equity to the chat app as part of the deal, Telegram’s CEO Pavel Durov said on Tuesday. So what's the valuation for that equity?
- explain 1y agoThis makes Telegram a very minor owner of X.
- culebron21 1y agoWell, as a 9-year user of Telegram, I expected some monetization and paid mode, but looks like we're going to be used otherwise, for more free cheese.
- miohtama 1y agoTelegram made $500M profit at ~1.3B revenue. Revenue comes from ads and premium users and some minor sources.
- herbst 1y agoI have a premium account as I really like the idea of just paying for the service I use. I highly assume that the AI will be integrated in a way that you can mostly disable it or barely notice it if you aren't looking for it, like all the other paid or special features. So many people never noticed stars, NFTS, a whole nft market, pay for messages, pay for groups, ... While using it ever day
- tgv 1y agoI had my doubts before, but this was the proverbial drop in the bucket: I removed my account. People can still contact me via phone, sms, email, or Signal, or by just ringing at the door.
- jug 1y agoGiven the shady stuff there, sounds like a match made in heaven to be honest, haha...
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- slt2021 1y agothis is actually pretty bad deal for russia. with xAI. US based company will get access to the messaging of all russians/ukrainians/Iranians (with soldiers being very well represented), with the ability to run NLP and identify information of great importance to the NSA/DoD/CIA. Imagine if AT&T routed all Americans' SMS/text messages to the Russian version of xAI, would you call this a bad deal for Russia or USA ????
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- rvnx 1y agoThe fun fact is that the supposedly uncensored Grok ("unhinged") is actually very much censored. The only thing it can do is to say bad words and be anti-Woke, but it actually refuses to be really subversive or give its opinion on many topics.
- bboygravity 1y agoWow, a Musk rant. So original and refreshing. Meanwhile pedos are actually just on Facebook and Instagram and not even hiding: https://www.wsj.com/tech/instagram-vast-pedophile-network-4ab7189 https://www.wsj.com/tech/instagram-vast-pedophile-network-4a...
- IAmGraydon 1y agoThe Instagram pages the article references almost all link to...you guessed it...Telegram, where they can distribute illegal materials with less oversight.
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- northzen 1y agoI heard that Internet on its own is a home of underage media, drug deals and Russian hackers. I guess we need to rant about it also, right?
- anonzzzies 1y agoAs I said before here recently; I am replacing all my tooling by stuff I built and that includes chat. I own my company so my colleagues can leave or use it too (they help me build so yes, they will use) and family will come on board if they have a side access to people who won't, which we do: we integrate other chats and for those we losen the rules. I have no interest, when I die in 40 years, to depend on even one line of software not inspected by me.
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- iamtheworstdev 1y agothe good news is that when this doesn't yield any positive results for xAI and they need a bailout then they'll get bought by Tesla, and Elon is saved once again.
- spwa4 1y agoReference to: * https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ceqjq11202ro https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ceqjq11202ro (xAI bought Twitter) * https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/aug/01/elon-musk-sells-solar-power-company-solarcity-to-tesla-motors https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/aug/01/elon-musk... (Tesla bought solarcity) Effectively, of course, Twitter and Solarcity went bankrupt. That's what really happened. I hope the CxO's at companies realize this, and so realize that Musk's big plan for Twitter ("just fire everyone, keep collecting the income") had a slightly different outcome when put into practice: fire everyone, rehire half, get publicly shamed by important people refusing to go back, bankruptcy in 2 years, 5 months. In other words, since 2022 Musk lost 5 million per day, on average, for 2.5 years. Let that sink in!
- fundad 1y agoIt wasn't about revenue, it was about a massive propaganda and surveillance apparatus.
- spwa4 1y agoIs that why he, and his entire management staff, were seen begging for advertisers to return ... how many times now? 5? Not sure. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-begs-advertisers-return-141046928.html https://finance.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-begs-advertisers-re... Clearly it was about revenue, at least to an extent.
- jjfoooo4 1y agoIt was about very stupidly thinking that selling subscriptions to Twitter would be more profitable than selling ads
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- declan_roberts 1y agoNow xAI is fully plugged into the zeitgeist. Integration into telegram chats seems like a natural extension to the data xAI gets from Twitter. $40 billion for twitter is a steal in retrospect now that we've entered an era of insatiable appetite for training data.
- overfeed 1y ago> $40 billion for twitter is a steal How so, when they could have paid around $300M for the data? Telegram may even be more valuable in terms of conversations, because Twitter data has very low signal:noise ratio - such as replies whose entirity are 3-word sentences or just emojis
- cosmicgadget 1y agoI don't know about you but many of my messages are 1-3 emojis. Not that it matters, that is an easy thing to filter out of training data. Elon's election-buying effort was certainly assisted by the Twitter purchase. And look how few (formerly) blue checks have left the platform despite his antics.
- myko 1y agoDefinitely a good investment in taking over the presidency of the United States, but I don't feel like many bluechecks are still on Twitter? The platform feels dead, you can't even access it without logging in.
- cosmicgadget 1y agoI think most businesses and journalists still have their Twitter accounts? I don't know how much they use them of course.
- ARandumGuy 1y agoIs this the same Grok that started inserting talking points about "white genocide in South Africa" on completely unrelated queries? Even if you wanted some AI chatbot integrated with your chat app (which I personally don't), it feels like Grok is the worst one you could pick.
- nosioptar 1y agoWouldn't bullshit white power rants fit right in on telegram?
- bibinou 1y ago@grok: is this true?
- bgwalter 1y agoGiven the use in conflict zones and the prevalence of military bloggers from all sides, Telegram is already one of the most surveilled apps out there. Grok relaying your queries to certain agencies won't add much, but it will be interesting to see what bias Grok will exhibit on Telegram.
- serial_dev 1y agoIt’s his play to be an even more important part of the military industrial complex and the surveillance state. He already has rockets, internet satellites, social platforms, he has the ears of the president and now he will probably have a backdoor to one of the most popular “encrypted” chat apps.
- rodgerd 1y agoI imagine Telegram-based training data will bias Grok to reflect Musk's own views more reliably than any other platform out there.
- retornam 1y agoTelegram is a haven for scammers and malware authors, who frequently use it as a command and control channel. These scammers and malware authors can now seamlessly integrate Grok into their tools. Congrats everyone.
- arresin 1y agoWhatsapp and signal may even be more pearl clutchable as they have end to end encryption and in signal’s case I believe it’s audited.
- retornam 1y agoIt is worth noting that WhatsApp Trust and Safety team is more effective in removing and blocking large-scale scam operations compared to Telegram. For instance, Telegram’s founder was recently arrested in France for failing to adequately remove malware, scam, and CSAM from the platform. It was only after his arrest that Telegram began to take moderation seriously, although their efforts remain woefully inadequate.
- northzen 1y agoStill better and more feature rich than WA.
- retornam 1y agoIndeed, it is undoubtedly advantageous for scammers and malware authors.
- northzen 1y agoOne day you will discover Internet and how advantageous it is for scammers and malware authors. Wtf is this argument even about? Knife is advantageous for robbers. Phone calls are advantageous for scammers. Your existence is advantageous for many malicious agents. So what?
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- jazzyjackson 1y agoJust painted a target on Telegrams back as a channel to feed misinformation into Grok
- game_the0ry 1y agoCall me stupid, but I fundamentally do not grasp why xAI would pay Telegram for access to its users. $300M seems like a crazy amount of money to put into a chat app. I am genuinely curious about the business strategy behind the move bc that would be a market worth exploring - having something that the AI industry would pay for bc they are willing to spend a lot right now.
- z3dd 1y agooh, cause telegram is not a chat app, it's Facebook of eastern Europe
- game_the0ry 1y agoAnd how is the data of Eastern Europe as valuable as xAI is paying for it?
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- ZeroTalent 1y ago$300M is not a lot of money in this situation
- XorNot 1y agoAI training data is in short supply from new sources. Chat and group apps are handy for many reasons, but one obvious one is people posting images with caption text they provide basically does your image tagging for free (remember the original big image model was just a list of URLS with useful alt-text descriptions).
- bearjaws 1y agoUsed pretty heavily by island nations and LATAM.
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- starik36 1y agoMy god, the level of negativity about absolutely everything is insane.
- sMarsIntruder 1y agoNegativity and hate.
- taurath 1y agoThis just made a whole ton of people I know on telegram (furries who make the internets go) immediately accelerate their movement off the platform. I found out about this news because of some backup signal rooms started sending notifications. They need to get ahead of the privacy implications and quickly. Furries are basically the roma of the internet at this point - what they value hasn't changed (anonymity, moderation tooling, rich expression, security) but they move on as platforms betray their original usecases. They're like the canaries for enshittification especially around privacy.
- loopdoend 1y agoWhere are they going?
- Vilian 1y agoSignal and matrix probably
- taurath 1y agoToo early to tell - usually they'll settle on something with a balance of those main values. If matrix is truly the new IRC then perhaps that, though it doesn't seem mature enough yet and it seems like it might be costly if one needs to host non-text content. Furries contain both highly technical people and also very low-tech artists so any platform that requires a lot of maintenance can be a non-starter. Signal seems like privacy over expression. Maybe this is the time that they'll make their own.
- _ink_ 1y agoThat might be finally a reason for my friends to leave that app.
- Klonoar 1y agoI spent half an hour dealing with a group I’m in getting off the platform today. Frustratingly, the majority wanted iMessage. I’d prefer Signal but the story for backups on iOS is still a mess, and nobody wants to deal with it.
- kklisura 1y ago> Telegram is the most popular messaging app in Iran and Uzbekistan [1] > Telegram’s largest market is India, which accounts for more than 20% of its userbase. Telegram also has a large amount of users in countries with heavy censorship and surveillance, such as Iran, Russia, and Uzbekistan. [1] > Percentage of users via region: Asia 38%, Europe 27%, Latin America 21%, MEMA 8% [1] It sure is valuable data - if you are a three letter agency. Not sure if it's valuable business data. [1] https://www.businessofapps.com/data/telegram-statistics/ https://www.businessofapps.com/data/telegram-statistics/
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- CaramelRaisins 1y agoHow many times are you going to repost this?
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- troupo 1y agoUnfortunately it's also the most sleek and feature-rich messenger of them all :(
- drdaeman 1y agoIt sort of used to be, although not exactly as a messenger - it was never good for one-to-one private conversations, but as a social network with channels and groups. However, for the last couple years enshittification is in progress - it's not at Microsoft Teams levels yet, but they're really trying to get there, shoving more and more ads (third- and first-party both) into users' faces with increasing frequency.
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- sidcool 1y agoEvery week, at least once I am added to a spam Telegram group. It was fun earlier, but now it's a nuisance.
- lawrencejgd 1y agoYou can change that in Settings → Privacy and security → Invitations → Select My contacts
- Suppafly 1y ago>You can change that in Settings → Privacy and security → Invitations → Select My contacts Bizarre that that's not the default and that it's actually an option at all.
- machomaster 1y agoNot bizarre at all. How else would you invite people (study group, work, etc). Especially thinking 10 years back. This is a sensible default for most people. If it is no more, then settings can be changed.
- Suppafly 1y agoWouldn't you first add those people as a contact?
- wtk 1y agodriving interaction count > your peace
- herbst 1y agoIf you use Telegram in a 100% private setting (only friends and family and private groups) you won't be invited anywhere else either. When your name is out there in public channels things change. Just like with an email address
- phillipcarter 1y agoSad to say this as a formerly happy user of telegram: Boy that tracks. The shadiest AI model provider paying the shadiest chat app provider to integrate the racist slop machine into the scam and CSAM distribution machine. xAI engineers, I genuinely hope you get the bag soon and switch jobs back into a reputable AI lab.
- rchaud 1y agoOut of interest, why were you using telegram to begin with, considering that it's known for being a haven of shady content? Not just hate groups and paramilitaries, but also tons of pirated content? All that content browsed gets linked back to your phone number does it not?
- int_19h 1y agoNot OP, but Telegram is the only popular option with E2EE that has good clients across all desktop and mobile OSes (including Linux), doesn't tie your account to your phone number, and doesn't limit the number of devices which can use the same account.
- phillipcarter 1y agoIt was a reasonable messaging app for a lot of folks in ~2013-2016. The stickers support was excellent and it had a lot of excellent features, even though its psuedo-open source stance was always a little weird. I also ascribed some level of trust to Pavel Durov as ultimately being anti-authoritarian given his history with Putin and thought that was ... fine, I guess. Anyways, with the rise of crypto came a lot of other unsavory things where Telegram became the de facto comms platform for criminals. While criminals will use any medium, it's also a matter of critical mass to me.
- hintymad 1y agoSo that means Telegram users will use XAI for free, which means it will cost xAI potentially multiple times of $300M a year to serve the Telegram users?
- leptons 1y ago"if it's free, then you are the product" applies here.
- dist-epoch 1y agoYes, this is why I switched from free Linux to paid Windows. I don't want to be the product.
- steve_adams_86 1y agoLinux makes you to work so hard to get it working sometimes that I can't imagine anyone would consider it free (half-joking) edit: at least you can get it working, though
- mystified5016 1y agoYou're being deliberately obtuse
- juliend2 1y agoIt's just a troll (although not valid in this context) counter-argument to the saying above.
- npteljes 1y agoThis is a tired, and untrue cliché. Everyone is the product, all the time.
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- DisjointedHunt 1y agoTelegram channels are upstream of ALL text based social media and to an increasing degress, culturally upstream to many content trends as well. Take the war in Ukraines for example, the uncensored and real time updates you get in open Telegram channels make most intelligence agencies except for Five Eyes nations look regular. This deal may be much bigger than it seems off the bat. The cohort of people using Telegram to exchange content is maybe the top 5% of the world in many important niches.
- Suppafly 1y agoIf this is something their users actually wanted, they'd be paying xAI, not the other way around.
- Gothmog69 1y agoGoogle pays Apple some 20 billion a year for search primacy on iphones
- piyuv 1y agoThat shows that their trust in users selecting google as primary if given the option when setting up a new device is not high. Otherwise they’d negotiate it down.
- midnitewarrior 1y agoI think the point is that users mostly don't bother selecting their search provider, many will simply use what is pre-configured. Google is paying Apple so nobody else will.
- hiddencost 1y agoLike Google with Apple?
- eqvinox 1y agoGoogle pays Apple because Google has paying customers for that in their advertisers. For xAI to pay Telegram... where does xAI get value back out of that? I guess we'll be seeing AI with ads soon?
- spacebanana7 1y agoThat’s the industry consensus. Sam Altman talked about something similar on a Stratechery podcast. It not exactly unrealistic to imagine that people will ask LLMs about flights, hotels, restaurants or even insurance. All that needs to happen is for LLMs to add a “buy now” button, and for the provider to take a 15% commission (still a lower take rate than Expedia FWIW).
- outside1234 1y agoAnd deleting the Telegram app. Will save me time anyway closing spam messages.
- l5870uoo9y 1y agoIf paying Apple 20 billion to be the default search engine in Safari, paying Telegram 300 million in cash and equity for access to their 1 billion monthly active users, seems like a good deal for xAI. Where else are they gonna get users at that scale?
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- seydor 1y agoif people don't want to use the AI it means the AI is not useful or interesting enough. paying 300M won't really move the needle in that. Now , if they actually paid the users to use it ... who knows
- smileson2 1y agoInteresting!
- pseudony 1y agoOh yes, I was really missing an Apartheid AI. .... Guess its time to switch everyone. Sueprising they thought thst 300M was enough. I think they seriously underestimate how Musk's name is perceived in the EU, for example.
- evan_ 1y agoThe Facebook-inspired pogroms in Myanmar were a prologue to the horrors that this will incite
- baxtr 1y agoCan you elaborate on that? How can xAI integration into telegram incite pogroms?
- jonny_eh 1y agoIt has been injected with politically motivated bias: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/may/14/elon-musk-grok-white-genocide https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/may/14/elon-musk...
- slt2021 1y agotelegram is big in Russia, Ukraine, Iran. could be used for spying purposes, if xAI can analyze telegram chats and identify texts of interest to the next-get USA military industrial complex (SpaceX, Palantir, Anduril, etc)
- miohtama 1y agoxAI is paying to be "the default" AI of s chat app of 1B monthly active users. They pay for distribution and they likely believe they can later monetise this by sheer mass, roping people in Grok or offering professional paid services. Telegram has in-app monetisation for 50 payment providers and more than hundred countries. They also have crypto but it is unrelated. Also if someone still believes into the freedom of speech, Telegram was just banned in Vietnam this week when they refused bend the knee to the government. It aligns with Musk's ideology.
- basgras 1y agoDisagree with that last point. Musk bends his knee regularly and censors his X users, because he has so many business conflicts of interest. https://qz.com/elon-musk-x-twitter-transparency-brazil-turkey-tesla-1851656960 https://qz.com/elon-musk-x-twitter-transparency-brazil-turke...
- EastSmith 1y ago"No deal has been signed" per Elon Musk post on X.
- EastSmith 1y ago"No deal has been signed" per Elon Musk's post on X just now.
- dawnerd 1y agoIf this shows up in my Telegram app I'll be immediately switching. I don't want or need a harmful LLM in my chat app.
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- animitronix 1y agoIf your llm is so unpopular that you have to pay people to use it, you should probably just stop
- duskwuff 1y agoThe situation just got murkier: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1927839555828220165 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1927839555828220165 ("@durov @grok No deal has been signed")
- hn_throwaway_99 1y agoAnd Pavel Durov responded: > True. Agreed in principle, but formalities are pending. This is how I know I'm not cut out for business - because I just can't lie with total impunity. Like, how could you do a global, public announcement like this when there is no dry ink, and the other side obviously hasn't authorized you to announce, and feel literally zero shame ("formalities are pending", lol). I feel like more and more one of the biggest requirements for success in business (not to mention politics) is just total shamelessness.
- meepmorp 1y agoIt's not a lie if you (choose to) believe it!
- vl 1y agoHe is the CEO of a corporation. Let's assume Pavel and Elon had a phone call and agreed on the deal. One of them or both are entitled to announce it. Pavel Durov announced multiple deals before on his tg channel. Now it is surprising turn of events, it seems they didn't work out details to the degree implied, but calling it lying is a far stretch.
- hn_throwaway_99 1y ago> Let's assume Pavel and Elon had a phone call and agreed on the deal. One of them or both are entitled to announce it. Lol, because it was Elon himself who called out Durov's original tweet with his "no deal has been signed" response. So obviously the agreement was not agreed upon yet. Ironically this sounds just like Elon's infamous "funding secured" tweet. I'm tired of all these bullshitting bullshitters, and then the follow on of apologists.
- dcchambers 1y agoThe $300M "in cash and xAI equity" could turn out to not be that much money, depending on what percentage of that was equity. xAI recently raised at an $80B valuation and it's highly debatable if it's actually worth that...and who knows if you'd ever actually have a liquidation event.
- fragmede 1y agoHow do you want to define liquidation event? SpaceX employees are getting rich despite no IPO in sight.
- dcchambers 1y agoFair enough. I'm not at all familiar with SpaceX's comp but I assume they do private liquidity events/stock sales for their employees. Who knows if X/xAI will do something similar, and if outside equity holders are subject to those same rules. Far above my pay grade to figure that out.
- smrtinsert 1y agoThat is absurdly low given that grok probably will be learning from the inputs. If anything this number should be in the billions. Do telegram users even want this? I thought it was privacy focused app.
- dgellow 1y ago> I thought it was privacy focused app. Not really. It’s what people repeat over and over by ignorance, but it is popular because it has the best UX for a messaging app. Encrypted chats exist but are opt in and nobody is using them.
- fennecfoxy 1y agoAs a furry: nooooooooooooooo. Please God, no!
- theasisa 1y agoIf anything this will make text written by Grok easily identifiable by the constant yiffing
- fennecfoxy 1y agoContrary to popular belief that's not really so much a thing. Even back in the day RP was only vaguely popular with a portion of the community. Most furries don't have sex in fursuit, only some. Otherwise it's not yiffing, it's just sex. Probably more prevalent among furries given that we have a higher ratio of queer people than wider society, and we're all mostly more open about sex. Straight non-furs are comparatively Catholic in their relations.
- rgavuliak 1y agoSince Grok is too left leaning despite all of Musk's efforts, he needs to get in some more training data that has an alt-right conspiracy bias.
- logic_node 1y agoSurprised to see Grok coming to Telegram—if true, this could shake up how we interact with AI inside messaging apps.
- Nerd_Nest 1y agoGrok in Telegram? That’s one bold move by xAI. I'm curious to see how users actually engage with it in day-to-day conversations.
- JamesAdir 1y agoI don't understand how Telegram is still around. The app has zero support, even for paid users. You can't rely on it, and unlike Meta products, where at least there is someone to escalate to, in Telegram it's nonexistent. My account was taken over by a malicious actor, and I can't get it restored no matter how many emails and DMs on X I've sent them. Zero response
- ivm 1y agoBecause it's the only social network that mixes blogging/feeds (channels) with anonymous chats and public groups. Most other messengers require your phone number to be exposed (although WhatsApp has been fixing it lately).
- jadbox 1y agoAs someone that has friends on every chat platform out there, I must say that Telegram is the most polished chat app in existence. Everything just works. I notice bugs in WhatsApp all the time, but hardly ever with Tg. Even stuff like video chat and video messages has always been reliable and fast. As a developer, the API is amazing... in 30min you can make a bot and publish it. The real shame is two fold: chats are not encrypted by default and there's so. much. bot spam on the platform. These two problems have made it my least favorite platform, even though the usage experience is the best.
- dgellow 1y agoAnd it has been the most polished chat platform since a decade, they have been just excellent at creating a product people love to use. I really don’t want xAI, so I guess I could switch to WhatsApp, but that would be a downgrade…
- dgellow 1y agoWell, I’ve been a really happy telegram user since at least 2014. If anything from xAI is forced on me I’m out asap.
- thewileyone 1y agoTime to delete Telegram