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Ehh, the point is not to tell others what to do but to not stop innovation by government regulation pandering to trade or labor groups. Look at the latest dock

Ehh, the point is not to tell others what to do but to not stop innovation by government regulation pandering to trade or labor groups. Look at the latest dock workers agreement that includes language to prevent automation. Dockwork is one of the best examples of something that can be automated quite well.

soco 1y ago
And my point is, I don't want to make people lose their living. Period.
- infecto 1y ago
  If it’s going to happen anyway why pander to that group? It’s like how politicians in the US keep promising coal is coming back. No it’s not. I don’t want to actively “make” people lose jobs but I also don’t want to limit innovation. The relatively free movement of labor is a benefit for all including workers. I guess if someone really wants that Amazon warehouse picker job great but I am not sure that’s true.
- fragmede 1y ago
  You don't? By paying your taxes, some of which goes to the police, you're forcing criminals, with their ill gotten gains into jail. An absurd thing to point out, other than that fact that there are some people who you do want to lose their living. Because those jobs harm you or society. Then we're just left to debate what harms society and what lets everyone in a society thrive.
SonOfKyuss 1y ago
I mostly disagree with regulations that specifically limit progress, but I can also see the benefit of phasing changes in at a regulated pace in order to give the real humans who depend on those jobs with very little social safety net time to adjust
- intrasight 1y ago
  A simple regulatory solution is to require every truck to be licensed by a human "driver". That human gets income as the owner of that license. Every truck must have one human license owner and every human can only own one license.
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  - chii 1y ago
    so how do you choose which human get to be the licence holder? i, too, want free money without having to do any work.
    - fragmede 1y ago
      You can just quit your job and get food stamps if you just want free money. It's not much of a living though and it'll probably cause you to become alcoholic.
      - chii 1y ago
        why would i just quit my job? It's not like these licenses are stipulated to only be available for the trucker who is jobless. my point is, there's no good way to help those who is economically worthless from technological progression. Any way to slice and dice it is just another word for welfare.
        intrasight 1y ago
        Like I said, you as a human can only have one license. All jobs will likely be licensed once the AI is that general so yes you would have to quit your job.
  - infecto 1y ago
    That sounds like a terrible taxi medallion situation. Why require that?

soco 1y ago

And my point is, I don't want to make people lose their living. Period.

infecto 1y ago
If it’s going to happen anyway why pander to that group? It’s like how politicians in the US keep promising coal is coming back. No it’s not. I don’t want to actively “make” people lose jobs but I also don’t want to limit innovation. The relatively free movement of labor is a benefit for all including workers. I guess if someone really wants that Amazon warehouse picker job great but I am not sure that’s true.
fragmede 1y ago
You don't? By paying your taxes, some of which goes to the police, you're forcing criminals, with their ill gotten gains into jail. An absurd thing to point out, other than that fact that there are some people who you do want to lose their living. Because those jobs harm you or society. Then we're just left to debate what harms society and what lets everyone in a society thrive.

SonOfKyuss 1y ago

I mostly disagree with regulations that specifically limit progress, but I can also see the benefit of phasing changes in at a regulated pace in order to give the real humans who depend on those jobs with very little social safety net time to adjust

intrasight 1y ago
A simple regulatory solution is to require every truck to be licensed by a human "driver". That human gets income as the owner of that license. Every truck must have one human license owner and every human can only own one license.
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- chii 1y ago
  so how do you choose which human get to be the licence holder? i, too, want free money without having to do any work.
  - fragmede 1y ago
    You can just quit your job and get food stamps if you just want free money. It's not much of a living though and it'll probably cause you to become alcoholic.
    - chii 1y ago
      why would i just quit my job? It's not like these licenses are stipulated to only be available for the trucker who is jobless. my point is, there's no good way to help those who is economically worthless from technological progression. Any way to slice and dice it is just another word for welfare.
      - intrasight 1y ago
        Like I said, you as a human can only have one license. All jobs will likely be licensed once the AI is that general so yes you would have to quit your job.
- infecto 1y ago
  That sounds like a terrible taxi medallion situation. Why require that?