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> we want people to do higher complexity tasks than operate motor vehicles. Why? And who is the "we" here? I really could care less what kind of job someone e
by _heimdall 1y ago
> we want people to do higher complexity tasks than operate motor vehicles.
Why? And who is the "we" here?
I really could care less what kind of job someone else enjoys doing. They don't owe me anything and I don't want to tell them what kind of job to have any more than I want someone telling me what job to have.
- infecto 1y agoEhh, the point is not to tell others what to do but to not stop innovation by government regulation pandering to trade or labor groups. Look at the latest dock workers agreement that includes language to prevent automation. Dockwork is one of the best examples of something that can be automated quite well.
- soco 1y agoAnd my point is, I don't want to make people lose their living. Period.
- infecto 1y agoIf it’s going to happen anyway why pander to that group? It’s like how politicians in the US keep promising coal is coming back. No it’s not. I don’t want to actively “make” people lose jobs but I also don’t want to limit innovation. The relatively free movement of labor is a benefit for all including workers. I guess if someone really wants that Amazon warehouse picker job great but I am not sure that’s true.
- fragmede 1y agoYou don't? By paying your taxes, some of which goes to the police, you're forcing criminals, with their ill gotten gains into jail. An absurd thing to point out, other than that fact that there are some people who you do want to lose their living. Because those jobs harm you or society. Then we're just left to debate what harms society and what lets everyone in a society thrive.
- SonOfKyuss 1y agoI mostly disagree with regulations that specifically limit progress, but I can also see the benefit of phasing changes in at a regulated pace in order to give the real humans who depend on those jobs with very little social safety net time to adjust
- intrasight 1y agoA simple regulatory solution is to require every truck to be licensed by a human "driver". That human gets income as the owner of that license. Every truck must have one human license owner and every human can only own one license.
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- chii 1y agoso how do you choose which human get to be the licence holder? i, too, want free money without having to do any work.
- fragmede 1y agoYou can just quit your job and get food stamps if you just want free money. It's not much of a living though and it'll probably cause you to become alcoholic.
- chii 1y agowhy would i just quit my job? It's not like these licenses are stipulated to only be available for the trucker who is jobless. my point is, there's no good way to help those who is economically worthless from technological progression. Any way to slice and dice it is just another word for welfare.
- intrasight 1y agoLike I said, you as a human can only have one license. All jobs will likely be licensed once the AI is that general so yes you would have to quit your job.
- djoldman 1y agoIf you will permit me to be more careful: Instead of "we want people to do higher complexity tasks than operate motor vehicles," I would say: Moving humans from lower to higher complexity tasks generally correlates to increased productivity, higher efficiency, or "getting more with less." Generally, this leads to a wealthier society and other positive things. The above is not true about everything but holds up in general.
- bluefirebrand 1y agoI do not understand what "higher complexity tasks" you think a bunch of unemployed truckers are going to do It is likely that part of the reason they are truckers is because they aren't really suited for higher complexity tasks I'm not trying to be an asshole. I respect the hard work and long hours that truckers do. I don't think they are stupid, and I greatly value the service they provide to society But the reality is trucking is still a relatively low skill job, mostly filled by people who are not really equipped for high skill jobs At some point if we automate all of the low skill jobs, we're going to have to deal with the fact that a ton of people who aren't cut out for complex work are now unemployed (and probably poor, and pissed off)
- djoldman 1y agoI'm not trying to be an asshole either when I ask: what we do with all the former farmers made redundant by modern farming technology or furniture makers made redundant by the increased productivity of manufacturing processes? I think the answer is and has always been education and retraining for different occupations.
- i80and 1y agoPeople have been talking about "education and retraining" to make up for jobs lost to technology since I was young. It's a nice idea, but I'm curious if that actually happens at scale rather than in isolated pockets. Retraining is hard, expensive, and risky. My general experience is that people tend to fall backwards into either lower-quality work or permanent semi-unemployment, but I could be mistaken about that.