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So putting this aside, the elephant in the room is still the weight of the EVs, tire wear is one thing but the roads are also being worn at a much faster rate d

So putting this aside, the elephant in the room is still the weight of the EVs, tire wear is one thing but the roads are also being worn at a much faster rate due to the weight of the cars. When EVs do have to brake and regenerative is not enough it needs to stop more inertia due to this high weight.

tpm 1y ago
> the roads are also being worn at a much faster rate due to the weight of the cars. Are they actually being worn out at a much faster rate because of more EVs? Do we have any data?
- llampx 1y ago
  It is amazing how much concern trolling there is about EVs on a site like this.
  - tpm 1y ago
    One has to wonder who creates a fresh account just to troll against EVs. Fossil bots perhaps.
    - llampx 1y ago
      Can't rule out automated manipulation and bots on any social media site these days.
    - yencabulator 1y ago
      What's even worse is we're seeing some relatively-new accounts basically commenting LLM summaries of the article; it definitely looks like a way to "fake age" accounts.
    - scuderiaseb 1y ago
      I'm not a bot but I regret posting that as my first comment and to be honest I didn't read the article before it was just my thoughts from prior knowledge. I've been on Hacker News for many years but decided a week ago to make an account. Still you have a good point, one should be skeptical of what is written by bots.
      - tpm 1y ago
        Right. So as the other poster mentioned the elephant in the room regarding road damage are trucks. And as a fellow biker I'm completely with you on infrastructure, but still see EVs as a massive improvement on ICEs.
  - tstrimple 1y ago
    Same thing happens with renewables. Every single article either positive or negative about solar or wind you'll inevitably see the "But the sun doesn't always shine! Nuclear is the only possible solution!" style comments.
    - s1artibartfast 1y ago
      It's a pretty natural response to highlight concerns if something is being shoved down your throat.
      - pjc50 1y ago
        > shoved down your throat This nearly always means "mentioned" rather than any kind of coercion. The ICE phaseout is still something like a decade away at the most optimistic in Europe and much, much further away in the US.
        s1artibartfast 1y ago
        Depends on the gripe. My state has the largest housing crisis in the nation, but also requires all new homes to have rooftop solar - forcing implementation of the least economic scale and the the least economic installation type. I certainly empathize with people we feel compelled to point out that solar energy policy isn't all sunshine and roses.
JumpCrisscross 1y ago
> the elephant in the room is still the weight of the EVs The elephant in the room for road wear are trucks [1]. Cars are almost negligible. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_power_law https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_power_law
bryanlarsen 1y ago
A Tesla 3 is 5% heavier than a BMW 3. First generation ICE conversions were heavy. Cars properly designed from the ground up for EV aren't as much.
- scuderiaseb 1y ago
  Yeah but they should get lighter ideally and not heavier because the BMW 3 ICE has also gotten unreasonably heavy. I'm a huge proponent of biking and electric bikes but there is too bad infrastructure, storage, safety concerns etc that are not being addressed properly. For instance I wish I could buy a Cargo bike and use that for grocery shopping and most other transportation of my kids but I don't have room in our bike storage (where I've had two bikes stolen) and I don't have room in our storage room and live in an apartment. The cars parking take up more square meters than the squaremeters of the building or close to it while the bike storage is a fraction of that.

tpm 1y ago

> the roads are also being worn at a much faster rate due to the weight of the cars. Are they actually being worn out at a much faster rate because of more EVs? Do we have any data?

llampx 1y ago
It is amazing how much concern trolling there is about EVs on a site like this.
- tpm 1y ago
  One has to wonder who creates a fresh account just to troll against EVs. Fossil bots perhaps.
  - llampx 1y ago
    Can't rule out automated manipulation and bots on any social media site these days.
  - yencabulator 1y ago
    What's even worse is we're seeing some relatively-new accounts basically commenting LLM summaries of the article; it definitely looks like a way to "fake age" accounts.
  - scuderiaseb 1y ago
    I'm not a bot but I regret posting that as my first comment and to be honest I didn't read the article before it was just my thoughts from prior knowledge. I've been on Hacker News for many years but decided a week ago to make an account. Still you have a good point, one should be skeptical of what is written by bots.
    - tpm 1y ago
      Right. So as the other poster mentioned the elephant in the room regarding road damage are trucks. And as a fellow biker I'm completely with you on infrastructure, but still see EVs as a massive improvement on ICEs.
- tstrimple 1y ago
  Same thing happens with renewables. Every single article either positive or negative about solar or wind you'll inevitably see the "But the sun doesn't always shine! Nuclear is the only possible solution!" style comments.
  - s1artibartfast 1y ago
    It's a pretty natural response to highlight concerns if something is being shoved down your throat.
    - pjc50 1y ago
      > shoved down your throat This nearly always means "mentioned" rather than any kind of coercion. The ICE phaseout is still something like a decade away at the most optimistic in Europe and much, much further away in the US.
      - s1artibartfast 1y ago
        Depends on the gripe. My state has the largest housing crisis in the nation, but also requires all new homes to have rooftop solar - forcing implementation of the least economic scale and the the least economic installation type. I certainly empathize with people we feel compelled to point out that solar energy policy isn't all sunshine and roses.

JumpCrisscross 1y ago

> the elephant in the room is still the weight of the EVs The elephant in the room for road wear are trucks [1]. Cars are almost negligible. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_power_law https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_power_law

bryanlarsen 1y ago

A Tesla 3 is 5% heavier than a BMW 3. First generation ICE conversions were heavy. Cars properly designed from the ground up for EV aren't as much.

scuderiaseb 1y ago
Yeah but they should get lighter ideally and not heavier because the BMW 3 ICE has also gotten unreasonably heavy. I'm a huge proponent of biking and electric bikes but there is too bad infrastructure, storage, safety concerns etc that are not being addressed properly. For instance I wish I could buy a Cargo bike and use that for grocery shopping and most other transportation of my kids but I don't have room in our bike storage (where I've had two bikes stolen) and I don't have room in our storage room and live in an apartment. The cars parking take up more square meters than the squaremeters of the building or close to it while the bike storage is a fraction of that.