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Unbelievable, this pipeline is probably one of the main drivers of American dominance over the last 40 years or so. These pipelines are directly responsible for
by dyauspitr 1y ago
Unbelievable, this pipeline is probably one of the main drivers of American dominance over the last 40 years or so. These pipelines are directly responsible for more than 50% of US unicorns.
- ndsipa_pomu 1y agoTrump is unlikely to live long enough to see that the effects of that and besides, why should he care about other people's fortunes?
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- ecshafer 1y agoIts not anything about genetically superior foreign students. Its the fact that we take the BEST foreign students, educate them and hopefully capture a % to stay. We are able to both make America stronger AND everyone else weaker. They also subsidize our schools by paying large sums of cash, at least for the wealthy foreign students.
- colingauvin 1y agoThe other half of this coin is that it suppresses graduate student wages. This could be a huge boost to American grad students, potentially.
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago> other half of this coin is that it suppresses graduate student wages. This could be a huge boost to American grad students, potentially Raising taxes and cutting funding to universities will almost certainly require the graduate-student population to be culled.
- colingauvin 1y agoWell yes, but that's not what this discussion was about.
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago> that's not what this discussion was about Disarticulating the effects is a statistical, not practical nor even potentially empirical, exercise.
- commandlinefan 1y ago> make America stronger Well, there's an argument to be made that importing talent doesn't necessarily make _America_ (or its citizens) stronger, but just the owners of a handful of mostly privately owned American corporations.
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago> there's an argument to be made that importing talent doesn't necessarily make _America_ (or its citizens) stronger, but just the owners of a handful of mostly privately owned American corporations I can argue that cows are hats, that doesn't mean the evidence [1] supports it. [1] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0927537120301330 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S09275...
- const_cast 1y agoThese people become citizens. There's this distinction people make between American people and then immigrants. Er... no. The immigrants are the American people. My parents were immigrants. Most people I know had parents or grandparents who were immigrants. America, as a whole, is built off the backs of people from not-America. That's our entire thing, we're the melting pot.
- throwaway5752 1y agoWell, obvious they are widening the pool for top tier talent so you can expert more exceptional minds capable of launching unicorns with a broader talent pool of applicants. This is just basic numeracy and knowledge of statistical distributions.
- geodel 1y agoAgree. Buying a thousand lottery tickets every week is how folks more likely to become rich. Basic numeracy all the way.
- triceratops 1y agoIf you buy enough lottery tickets you're guaranteed to win.
- tzs 1y agoThat's not comparable because you have no way to look at lottery tickets before you purchase to try to figure out which ones are more likely to be winners. A university on the other hand does get to look through the applicant pool and decide who to admit.
- throwaway5752 1y agoThat sounds clever! But buying more lottery tickets does in fact improve your odds of winning. So your comparison breaks down because it undercuts your point. The fact that you have no a priori knowledge of what is a winning ticket is not the case with college admissions. It's actually the complete opposite! You have a great deal of prior knowledge and odds of academic success. So, the lottery is a poor comparison in that regard. Further, the lottery will always bankrupt you because the tickets have overwhelmingly negative expected value. In the case of education, every single study on it indicates extremely positive outcomes. So in fact, adding more seats and getting more students in college, all else being equal, is likely to have a positive economic outcome. If $1 dollar lottery tickets paid out $3 on average, the more you buy, the richer you would be. So again, the lottery is a poor comparison.
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- Larrikin 1y agoSo your argument is that instead of using the vetted talents of everyone in the world we would be better off shutting everyone out and using only the talents of a tiny percentage of the world?
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- ModernMech 1y agoIt's not that they are genetically superior. We have top minds in America, but not enough. Top people in the world don't all live in America, but we'd like them to come here and study at least. Many of them stay and start huge corporations here which enriches America. Now they'll go somewhere else and we will not benefit from their brilliance.
- panda-giddiness 1y agoSo you think, in order to attract better talent, we should exclude roughly 95% of the world? If "there's an argument" to be made, then make the actual argument. Don't just lazily reference it and expect everyone else to fill in the gaps.