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This is missing the elderly with no young to support them for whatever reason, so some level of government support is necessary. You can’t just have old people

This is missing the elderly with no young to support them for whatever reason, so some level of government support is necessary. You can’t just have old people dying in the streets of course.

zeroCalories 1y ago
Sometimes you gotta know when the parties over and it's time to leave.
buckle8017 1y ago
Those people literally dug their own graves.
- timschmidt 1y ago
  NIH / WHO put infertility at somewhere between 10% and 17.5%. You've condemned a sixth of the world's population through no fault of their own.
  - buckle8017 1y ago
    Adopt some orphans.
    - timschmidt 1y ago
      George Washington chose to found a country instead. Beethoven and Chopin wrote some music. Queen Anne united a Kingdom, and Queen Mary II assented to the 1689 Bill of Rights. Frida Kahlo painted some art. Virginia Woolf wrote some literature. Helen Geisel edited Dr. Seuss. Rosalind Franklin helped discover DNA. Jean Purdy helped develop IVF. All infertile due to no fault of their own. Perhaps you should consider moving out of the country, avoiding classical music, literature, and art, foregoing all DNA-related medical developments and IVF, and meditating on empathy as you do so.
      - RestlessMind 1y ago
        These people were outliers and they could pursue their passions and contribute to the societies because vast majority of adults were rearing a bunch of kids. The problem is that for the last few generations in the Western societies, everyone wanted to be a George Washington or Rosalind Franklin and decided to pursue their passion. Not enough people were willing to do boring work of raising kids. That is definitely not sustainable.
        timschmidt 1y ago
        > These people were outliers What part of 1/6 the population don't you understand? Is this ignorance willful? > The problem is that for the last few generations in the Western societies... Not enough people were willing to do boring work of raising kids. That is definitely not sustainable. Biology seems to have incentivized reproduction heavily enough that we're sitting at 8.2 Billion humans worldwide. "The human population has experienced continuous growth following the Great Famine of 1315–1317 and the end of the Black Death in 1350, when it was nearly 370,000,000." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population Wake me up when it actually starts shrinking. Alternatively, if you think there's something you can do to incentivize reproduction more than sex, let me know, I'd like to be a first-round investor.
        michtzik 1y ago
        > What part of 1/6 the population don't you understand? Is this ignorance willful? The 1/6 number is made up. Here's an example source: https://www.who.int/news/item/04-04-2023-1-in-6-people-globally-affected-by-infertility https://www.who.int/news/item/04-04-2023-1-in-6-people-globa... The first red flag is they use the Newspeak "experience infertility". If you look at the data sources, they're calling women (and men) with children "infertile": https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nsfg/key_statistics/i-keystat.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nsfg/key_statistics/i-keystat.htm Obviously there's a sense in which a woman who's had children and now can't is "infertile" (though FAR more than one-sixth of women experience menopause). But it's not the sense being used by you and your parent commenter in this thread.
  - broken-kebab 1y ago
    But it's not like birthrate falling has been mainly because of infertility?
Aeolun 1y ago
They would work until they couldn’t, and then die?
- jodrellblank 1y ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44088316 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44088316

This is missing the elderly with no young to support them for whatever reason, so some level of government support is necessary. You can’t just have old people dying in the streets of course.

zeroCalories 1y ago

Sometimes you gotta know when the parties over and it's time to leave.

buckle8017 1y ago

Those people literally dug their own graves.

timschmidt 1y ago
NIH / WHO put infertility at somewhere between 10% and 17.5%. You've condemned a sixth of the world's population through no fault of their own.
- buckle8017 1y ago
  Adopt some orphans.
  - timschmidt 1y ago
    George Washington chose to found a country instead. Beethoven and Chopin wrote some music. Queen Anne united a Kingdom, and Queen Mary II assented to the 1689 Bill of Rights. Frida Kahlo painted some art. Virginia Woolf wrote some literature. Helen Geisel edited Dr. Seuss. Rosalind Franklin helped discover DNA. Jean Purdy helped develop IVF. All infertile due to no fault of their own. Perhaps you should consider moving out of the country, avoiding classical music, literature, and art, foregoing all DNA-related medical developments and IVF, and meditating on empathy as you do so.
    - RestlessMind 1y ago
      These people were outliers and they could pursue their passions and contribute to the societies because vast majority of adults were rearing a bunch of kids. The problem is that for the last few generations in the Western societies, everyone wanted to be a George Washington or Rosalind Franklin and decided to pursue their passion. Not enough people were willing to do boring work of raising kids. That is definitely not sustainable.
      - timschmidt 1y ago
        > These people were outliers What part of 1/6 the population don't you understand? Is this ignorance willful? > The problem is that for the last few generations in the Western societies... Not enough people were willing to do boring work of raising kids. That is definitely not sustainable. Biology seems to have incentivized reproduction heavily enough that we're sitting at 8.2 Billion humans worldwide. "The human population has experienced continuous growth following the Great Famine of 1315–1317 and the end of the Black Death in 1350, when it was nearly 370,000,000." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population Wake me up when it actually starts shrinking. Alternatively, if you think there's something you can do to incentivize reproduction more than sex, let me know, I'd like to be a first-round investor.
        michtzik 1y ago
        > What part of 1/6 the population don't you understand? Is this ignorance willful? The 1/6 number is made up. Here's an example source: https://www.who.int/news/item/04-04-2023-1-in-6-people-globally-affected-by-infertility https://www.who.int/news/item/04-04-2023-1-in-6-people-globa... The first red flag is they use the Newspeak "experience infertility". If you look at the data sources, they're calling women (and men) with children "infertile": https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nsfg/key_statistics/i-keystat.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nsfg/key_statistics/i-keystat.htm Obviously there's a sense in which a woman who's had children and now can't is "infertile" (though FAR more than one-sixth of women experience menopause). But it's not the sense being used by you and your parent commenter in this thread.
- broken-kebab 1y ago
  But it's not like birthrate falling has been mainly because of infertility?

Aeolun 1y ago

They would work until they couldn’t, and then die?

jodrellblank 1y ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44088316 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44088316