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Which companies are you talking about?

thenthenthen 1y ago
In my experience over the past 5 years in EU and Asia: Increasingly many companies wont even talk to you unless you have ‘a’ PhD. You dont need this piece of paper, but it is one hell of a life hack getting one.
- cortesoft 1y ago
  Are you trying to apply cold? The way it usually works is that someone you have worked with before vouches for you and that gets you past that screening.
  - thenthenthen 1y ago
    Never cold.
no_degree_a102 1y ago
American Express, Capital One, and Canonical to name a few. Aside from Unicorn and FAANG orgs self-taught is still predominantly forbidden.
- AnimalMuppet 1y ago
  I'm self-taught. My first job I got lucky (or the grace of God, depending on your perspective). After that, it never mattered. I had experience, references, a track record. And the older you get, the longer the track record, and the more it outweighs the piece of paper. I'm primarily an embedded guy, though. If you're doing web apps, or desktop, or games, or phones, or high performance, or finance programming, your mileage may vary.
  - no_degree_a102 1y ago
    I'm happy to hear your success story but that has not been my experience. I am only able to get into FAANGs.
    - AnimalMuppet 1y ago
      I'm sorry that that has been your experience. (Or maybe I shouldn't be sorry - FAANGs pay pretty well.) But what you say surprises me, for two reasons. First, FAANGs get far more resumes than they have openings. Demanding a degree seems like an easy, lazy way to eliminate some. I'm kind of surprised that they don't take it. (I mean, they shouldn't take it, but I'm still kind of surprised.) Second, many engineering organizations that are not FAANGs are trying to model their hiring on FAANG approaches. So I'm surprised that, if FAANGs would hire you, others won't - especially after you have experience at a FAANG.
- epolanski 1y ago
  Nobody cares about degrees much after you've started working. Sure, there's very very big orgs where it matters for several positions, but it's not predominantly forbidden.
  - no_degree_a102 1y ago
    If this is true, we should keep these starred somewhere so self-taught devs don't have to waste time applying to orgs that care otherwise.
    - epolanski 1y ago
      They won't pass the CV screening, so no big deal.

In my experience over the past 5 years in EU and Asia: Increasingly many companies wont even talk to you unless you have ‘a’ PhD. You dont need this piece of paper, but it is one hell of a life hack getting one.

cortesoft 1y ago
Are you trying to apply cold? The way it usually works is that someone you have worked with before vouches for you and that gets you past that screening.
- thenthenthen 1y ago
  Never cold.

no_degree_a102 1y ago

American Express, Capital One, and Canonical to name a few. Aside from Unicorn and FAANG orgs self-taught is still predominantly forbidden.

AnimalMuppet 1y ago
I'm self-taught. My first job I got lucky (or the grace of God, depending on your perspective). After that, it never mattered. I had experience, references, a track record. And the older you get, the longer the track record, and the more it outweighs the piece of paper. I'm primarily an embedded guy, though. If you're doing web apps, or desktop, or games, or phones, or high performance, or finance programming, your mileage may vary.
- no_degree_a102 1y ago
  I'm happy to hear your success story but that has not been my experience. I am only able to get into FAANGs.
  - AnimalMuppet 1y ago
    I'm sorry that that has been your experience. (Or maybe I shouldn't be sorry - FAANGs pay pretty well.) But what you say surprises me, for two reasons. First, FAANGs get far more resumes than they have openings. Demanding a degree seems like an easy, lazy way to eliminate some. I'm kind of surprised that they don't take it. (I mean, they shouldn't take it, but I'm still kind of surprised.) Second, many engineering organizations that are not FAANGs are trying to model their hiring on FAANG approaches. So I'm surprised that, if FAANGs would hire you, others won't - especially after you have experience at a FAANG.
epolanski 1y ago
Nobody cares about degrees much after you've started working. Sure, there's very very big orgs where it matters for several positions, but it's not predominantly forbidden.
- no_degree_a102 1y ago
  If this is true, we should keep these starred somewhere so self-taught devs don't have to waste time applying to orgs that care otherwise.
  - epolanski 1y ago
    They won't pass the CV screening, so no big deal.