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The trust is already gone. He was voted in twice and there was enough support for the party as a whole that none of the other branches of government can contain

The trust is already gone. He was voted in twice and there was enough support for the party as a whole that none of the other branches of government can contain him. Plus he said that he intended to make the changes such as his supporters would never need to vote again. Things have already been dismantled in such ways that it will be impossible to build them back as they were. Not to doom and gloom you out of hoping for the best but the Rubicon is rapidly fading into the distance.

mycatisblack 1y ago
I must have completely missed those speeches. Looked it up, At a "Believers' Summit" event hosted by the conservative group Turning Point Action in West Palm Beach, Florida, on July 26, 2024, Donald Trump told an audience of Christian voters: "You gotta get out and vote. In four years, you don't have to vote again, we'll have it fixed so good you're not going to have to vote." He also said: "Christians get out and vote. Just this time. You won't have to do it anymore. Four more years. You know what? It'll be fixed. It'll be fine. You won't have to vote anymore my beautiful Christians." Looks like we’re out of the short term loops and well into the decadal effects with this man. As a European, I’d like to add that the impulse response on the collective memory will be multi-generational.
- tim333 1y ago
  I think a fair reading of Trump would be that he was saying he'd have things fixed in four years, rather than staying on as a dictator.
  - AlecSchueler 1y ago
    That's how we're already interpreting it, that he will "fix" things, i.e. cause irreparable damage. There was no suggestion that he would stay on after his term, only that the damage would be so deep that the switch couldn't simply be flicked in the opposite direction.
    - Izkata 1y ago
      He was talking to groups who don't normally bother to vote, who started paying attention because the economy was so bad. He was talking about fixing the economy so they can go back to not paying attention.
  - foobarchu 1y ago
    I disagree. A fair reading is that he intends to have abolished the rules preventing him from just being a dictator. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-trump-has-said-about-pursuing-a-third-term/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-trump-has-said-about-pursu...
  - mattnewton 1y ago
    Why is the Trump store selling 2028 merch then?
watwut 1y ago
It is not just Trump. It is whole conservative project that is behind him. He truly represents the republican party and works towards its goals.
- AlecSchueler 1y ago
  This is it. It's not uncommon to see people on this very forum defending many of his policies, so the hope that the population has simply been duped and everything will right itself in a few years is a hard one to hold. One begins to question so much of America and see how much we had actually been turning a blind eye to since the end of the war.
  - gnz11 1y ago
    I kid you not but some of the Silicon Valley elites believe themselves to be philosopher kings and wish to lord over the rest of us in some bizarre techno-monarchy system.
    - fakedang 1y ago
      Weren't they planning to make their own techno-monarchic sovereign state? I remember reading up about one venture that actually received funding from your usual VC suspects. Even the folks in Wall Street weren't this dystopian, come on.
    - TedHerman 1y ago
      You might enjoy the book "Technofeudalism: What Killed Capitalism" (interview: In Conversation With Yanis Varoufakis - on YouTube).
  - thrance 1y ago
    Yes, it has to get much much worse before it can get better. Another half-competent democratic presidency now would only result in an even worse republican one next.
    - maeil 1y ago
hoseyor 1y ago
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- AlecSchueler 1y ago
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  - vacuity 1y ago
    The Democrat party is indeed incompetent, but GP's reasoning is part of why we've ended up with Trump again. The Democrats and Republicans are not the same, and if drastic change is needed, I know which party will be easier to change. As if inventing independent parties solves any problems. Don't pick sides; do the right thing, and the people who agree with you will be on your side.
  - monkeyfun 1y ago
    At risk of speaking too much for someone else: They are not blaming the left, they're blaming the democrat party -- and are far from assigning them total blame imo.
    - AlecSchueler 1y ago
      At the risk of getting lost in the bushes before GP themselves can respond, I'm not sure that's a reasonable defence. First of all it's a two party system, so the left and the party of the left are essentially interchangeable. They said that "the only reason" he won is because of this "abuse" from both parties. Indeed there's no suggestion that the democrats are taking all or most of the blame there, but my response was only on the basis that they were being blamed at all, which they were. I'm not sure there's anything that justifies the behaviour we're seeing, to me it seems unreasonable to expect one party to change their ways from relatively moderate politics because the other side, so to speak, will otherwise threaten to dismantle the democratic functioning of the state.

mycatisblack 1y ago

I must have completely missed those speeches. Looked it up, At a "Believers' Summit" event hosted by the conservative group Turning Point Action in West Palm Beach, Florida, on July 26, 2024, Donald Trump told an audience of Christian voters: "You gotta get out and vote. In four years, you don't have to vote again, we'll have it fixed so good you're not going to have to vote." He also said: "Christians get out and vote. Just this time. You won't have to do it anymore. Four more years. You know what? It'll be fixed. It'll be fine. You won't have to vote anymore my beautiful Christians." Looks like we’re out of the short term loops and well into the decadal effects with this man. As a European, I’d like to add that the impulse response on the collective memory will be multi-generational.

tim333 1y ago
I think a fair reading of Trump would be that he was saying he'd have things fixed in four years, rather than staying on as a dictator.
- AlecSchueler 1y ago
  That's how we're already interpreting it, that he will "fix" things, i.e. cause irreparable damage. There was no suggestion that he would stay on after his term, only that the damage would be so deep that the switch couldn't simply be flicked in the opposite direction.
  - Izkata 1y ago
    He was talking to groups who don't normally bother to vote, who started paying attention because the economy was so bad. He was talking about fixing the economy so they can go back to not paying attention.
- foobarchu 1y ago
  I disagree. A fair reading is that he intends to have abolished the rules preventing him from just being a dictator. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-trump-has-said-about-pursuing-a-third-term/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-trump-has-said-about-pursu...
- mattnewton 1y ago
  Why is the Trump store selling 2028 merch then?

watwut 1y ago

It is not just Trump. It is whole conservative project that is behind him. He truly represents the republican party and works towards its goals.

AlecSchueler 1y ago
This is it. It's not uncommon to see people on this very forum defending many of his policies, so the hope that the population has simply been duped and everything will right itself in a few years is a hard one to hold. One begins to question so much of America and see how much we had actually been turning a blind eye to since the end of the war.
- gnz11 1y ago
  I kid you not but some of the Silicon Valley elites believe themselves to be philosopher kings and wish to lord over the rest of us in some bizarre techno-monarchy system.
  - fakedang 1y ago
    Weren't they planning to make their own techno-monarchic sovereign state? I remember reading up about one venture that actually received funding from your usual VC suspects. Even the folks in Wall Street weren't this dystopian, come on.
  - TedHerman 1y ago
    You might enjoy the book "Technofeudalism: What Killed Capitalism" (interview: In Conversation With Yanis Varoufakis - on YouTube).
- thrance 1y ago
  Yes, it has to get much much worse before it can get better. Another half-competent democratic presidency now would only result in an even worse republican one next.
  - maeil 1y ago

hoseyor 1y ago

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AlecSchueler 1y ago
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- vacuity 1y ago
  The Democrat party is indeed incompetent, but GP's reasoning is part of why we've ended up with Trump again. The Democrats and Republicans are not the same, and if drastic change is needed, I know which party will be easier to change. As if inventing independent parties solves any problems. Don't pick sides; do the right thing, and the people who agree with you will be on your side.
- monkeyfun 1y ago
  At risk of speaking too much for someone else: They are not blaming the left, they're blaming the democrat party -- and are far from assigning them total blame imo.
  - AlecSchueler 1y ago
    At the risk of getting lost in the bushes before GP themselves can respond, I'm not sure that's a reasonable defence. First of all it's a two party system, so the left and the party of the left are essentially interchangeable. They said that "the only reason" he won is because of this "abuse" from both parties. Indeed there's no suggestion that the democrats are taking all or most of the blame there, but my response was only on the basis that they were being blamed at all, which they were. I'm not sure there's anything that justifies the behaviour we're seeing, to me it seems unreasonable to expect one party to change their ways from relatively moderate politics because the other side, so to speak, will otherwise threaten to dismantle the democratic functioning of the state.