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Mouth bacteria partially spread depression and anxiety in newlywed couples
- paulryanrogers 1y agoIt appears they didn't control for folks who lived together or had begun open-mouth kissing before marriage. Am I missing something?
- jrsdav 1y agoNot to mention how difficult it can be to transition to sleeping with a bed partner, let alone one who is an insomniac.
- benregenspan 1y ago"It can be argued that deriving a conclusive understanding from our preliminary findings is challenging without controlling for confounders (e.g., shared diet, stress exposure, and frequency of intimacy)." Seems like "stress exposure" is doing a lot of work there.
- azinman2 1y agoThis is in Iran, so presumably there’s less of that than in other places in the world?
- gwern 1y agoThis is Iran, so the researchers are often not great, or it's just straightup fraudulent. It's one of the epicenters of developing-world science fraud. So always worth keeping that in mind - there may not, in fact, be any facts that have to be explained.
- networked 1y agoThe study says sleep quality is also affected. I have doubts about this transmission mechanism, but it is an idea made for speculative fiction with a Gothic tinge. It's like a light version of vampirism without all the blood: they kiss you (for a while), and you become morose and nocturnal.
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- Flemlo 1y agoThat's just so blantly weird stance. What's your thought process? People in Iran should not kiss each other in marriage?
- jokoon 1y agoRepressive countries tend to dislike scientific research, especially domains who are remotely involved with the theory of evolution when the regime is theocratic. Not to mention any study involving romantic things.
- jaoane 1y agoUnlike in “free” countries where you definitely pinky-swear do not have politics or corporations manipulate research.
- dingnuts 1y agoin free countries you're free to point out the corrupting influences of those you feel are corrupting research, and to do your own, and then disprove incorrect things in Iran you don't say anything the Ayatollah disagrees with, or they kill you. Glory be to God. It's a false equivocance to say there is no difference simply because free countries aren't perfect, and because all people have biases
- jaoane 1y agoIn free countries you still need funding to do research and they won’t give it to you if you want to study something they don’t want you to. The result is the same.
- dingnuts 1y agoIn a free country there are a lot of "theys" with different views who might give you money, and you are also free to start a business and create your own wealth since private property is part of what makes a free country free. In a country like Iran "they" must, by law, be aligned with the Ayatollah. That's the difference. Free countries aren't perfect but at least the law gives these rights; in Iran they are explicitly given to the Church instead. You're making a patently absurd argument based on completely overblown cynicism
- justonceokay 1y agoAfter reading I’m confused how oral bacteria is shown to be the cause. What I’m reading is that moving in with a depressed person is depressing.
- k2enemy 1y agoThey cite work showing that "oral microbiota dysbiosis is significantly correlated with various neuropsychiatric disorders, including autism spectrum disorder, dementia, Parkinson’s disease, schizophrenia, anxiety, epilepsy, and depression." No claims are made that oral microbiota cause depression and anxiety. I find it easy to believe that after marriage, couples converge in depression and anxiety absent any kissing. And because of kissing, their oral microbiota will also converge. But that doesn't imply that kissing is the cause of the convergence in depression and anxiety. Maybe I am missing something.
- LargoLasskhyfv 1y agoHNed//.ed Give it time to load (minutes).