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There seems to be more fear mongering than reality here. Why would a scientist coming to the US for a conference be picked up and sent to El Salvador (or some

There seems to be more fear mongering than reality here. Why would a scientist coming to the US for a conference be picked up and sent to El Salvador (or some such)? Do they really believe these things are happening to everyone? Are they spending too much time on Reddit instead of doing research? This makes no sense to me whatsoever.

GenerocUsername 1y ago
I had to scroll to far too find sanity in this thread. I suspect the opposition party is literally just fear-bombing social media with what ifs and AI slop to further divide folks. But if some conferences or even colleges full of people susceptible to that kind of misinformation begin to fail, I'm all for it.
- basket_horse 1y ago
  Its not fear mongering to acknowledge that this administration is anti-science, or at least less pro-science than previous administrations. Hundreds of grants are frozen due to the Harvard shenanigans - its not just Harvard, as many grants flow through there on their way to other universities. Are the chances of getting deported high? No of course not, but America is certainly not rolling out the red carpet for international scientists right now.
- mrbombastic 1y ago
  https://www.cntraveler.com/story/which-countries-have-issued-travel-advisories-for-the-us-1#:~:text=Uruguay%20and%20Japan%20both%20issued,regarding%20US%20travel%20so%20far. https://www.cntraveler.com/story/which-countries-have-issued... Yes the rest of the world is wrong and Trump has the truth.
  - GenerocUsername 1y ago
    Yes, I do believe the global majority can infact be wrong and misled.
- vultour 1y ago
  It is incredible seeing people like you defend the administration when there's new executive orders signed every day that push your country further into the stone age. We're witnessing North Korea-level brainwashing at a never before seen scale and it's all out in the open for the entire world to see.
antod 1y ago
I think a more common legit fear is paying for flights, accommodation, conference etc then getting turned back (maybe after a short detention) because of some social media post in your past or your name was on some misidentified "woke" science.
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YZF 1y ago
The story of this one French guy being turned back at the border (out of millions of travellers) is what people see: - https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/trump-musk-french-scientist-detained https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/trump-musk-f... There were a few other stories that made the news like a British citizen that was prevented entry to Canada and then arrested trying to return to the US (who wanted to work illegally in Canada but admittedly treated very badly by the Americans). - https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/national-media-release/cbp-releases-march-2025-monthly-update https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/national-media-release/cbp-rele... "Claims that CBP is searching more electronic media due to the administration change are false. CBP’s search numbers are consistent with increases since 2021, and less than 0.01% of travelers have their devices searched. These searches are conducted to detect digital contraband, terrorism-related content, and information relevant to visitor admissibility, all of which play a critical role in national security." - https://www.trade.gov/feature-article/march-2025-air-passenger-travel https://www.trade.gov/feature-article/march-2025-air-passeng... "Non-U.S. citizen air passenger arrivals to the United States from foreign countries totaled: 4.541 million in March 2025, down 9.7 percent compared to March 2024. This represents 87.3 percent of pre-pandemic March 2019 volume." It's true that there is real confusion and fear. I have coworkers (I work for a large US company with offices all over the world) that share worries. This includes people with green cards, other working visas, and foreign visitors. There's plenty of travel and zero issues. People are worried is true. In Canada there we also have a lot of people with strong feelings/emotional response to Trump's 51st state nonsense and tariffs. There is a real feeling of betrayal. There are practically zero issues with Canadians traveling to the US. https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/250522/dq250522c-eng.htm https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/250522/dq250... "In March, Canadian residents returned from 2.7 million trips to the United States, representing a 24.0% decrease from March 2024 and accounting for 63.9% of all trips taken by Canadian residents in March 2025. Meanwhile, US residents took 1.2 million trips to Canada in March, down 6.6% from March 2024 and representing 81.3% of all non-resident trips to Canada in March 2025. " Basically the worries are real, fueled to a large extent by these sorts of articles, and in my opinion politically motivated (and I don't like Trump either) but the likelihood of running into problems is small and unclear if larger than it ever was.
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GenerocUsername 1y ago

I had to scroll to far too find sanity in this thread. I suspect the opposition party is literally just fear-bombing social media with what ifs and AI slop to further divide folks. But if some conferences or even colleges full of people susceptible to that kind of misinformation begin to fail, I'm all for it.

basket_horse 1y ago
Its not fear mongering to acknowledge that this administration is anti-science, or at least less pro-science than previous administrations. Hundreds of grants are frozen due to the Harvard shenanigans - its not just Harvard, as many grants flow through there on their way to other universities. Are the chances of getting deported high? No of course not, but America is certainly not rolling out the red carpet for international scientists right now.
mrbombastic 1y ago
https://www.cntraveler.com/story/which-countries-have-issued-travel-advisories-for-the-us-1#:~:text=Uruguay%20and%20Japan%20both%20issued,regarding%20US%20travel%20so%20far. https://www.cntraveler.com/story/which-countries-have-issued... Yes the rest of the world is wrong and Trump has the truth.
- GenerocUsername 1y ago
  Yes, I do believe the global majority can infact be wrong and misled.
vultour 1y ago
It is incredible seeing people like you defend the administration when there's new executive orders signed every day that push your country further into the stone age. We're witnessing North Korea-level brainwashing at a never before seen scale and it's all out in the open for the entire world to see.

antod 1y ago

I think a more common legit fear is paying for flights, accommodation, conference etc then getting turned back (maybe after a short detention) because of some social media post in your past or your name was on some misidentified "woke" science.

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YZF 1y ago

The story of this one French guy being turned back at the border (out of millions of travellers) is what people see: - https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/trump-musk-french-scientist-detained https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/trump-musk-f... There were a few other stories that made the news like a British citizen that was prevented entry to Canada and then arrested trying to return to the US (who wanted to work illegally in Canada but admittedly treated very badly by the Americans). - https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/national-media-release/cbp-releases-march-2025-monthly-update https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/national-media-release/cbp-rele... "Claims that CBP is searching more electronic media due to the administration change are false. CBP’s search numbers are consistent with increases since 2021, and less than 0.01% of travelers have their devices searched. These searches are conducted to detect digital contraband, terrorism-related content, and information relevant to visitor admissibility, all of which play a critical role in national security." - https://www.trade.gov/feature-article/march-2025-air-passenger-travel https://www.trade.gov/feature-article/march-2025-air-passeng... "Non-U.S. citizen air passenger arrivals to the United States from foreign countries totaled: 4.541 million in March 2025, down 9.7 percent compared to March 2024. This represents 87.3 percent of pre-pandemic March 2019 volume." It's true that there is real confusion and fear. I have coworkers (I work for a large US company with offices all over the world) that share worries. This includes people with green cards, other working visas, and foreign visitors. There's plenty of travel and zero issues. People are worried is true. In Canada there we also have a lot of people with strong feelings/emotional response to Trump's 51st state nonsense and tariffs. There is a real feeling of betrayal. There are practically zero issues with Canadians traveling to the US. https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/250522/dq250522c-eng.htm https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/250522/dq250... "In March, Canadian residents returned from 2.7 million trips to the United States, representing a 24.0% decrease from March 2024 and accounting for 63.9% of all trips taken by Canadian residents in March 2025. Meanwhile, US residents took 1.2 million trips to Canada in March, down 6.6% from March 2024 and representing 81.3% of all non-resident trips to Canada in March 2025. " Basically the worries are real, fueled to a large extent by these sorts of articles, and in my opinion politically motivated (and I don't like Trump either) but the likelihood of running into problems is small and unclear if larger than it ever was.

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