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I wouldn't worry. Even the simplest and most friendly effects library: https://effect.website https://effect.website Shows clearly why they will never be a mai

I wouldn't worry. Even the simplest and most friendly effects library: https://effect.website https://effect.website Shows clearly why they will never be a mainstream concept. The value proposition is only there when you have more elaborate concurrency needs. But that is a tiny fraction of the applications most people are writing today.

lblume 1y ago
> the simplest and most friendly effects library Highly unlikely. JavaScript simply isn't a language built with this kind of evaluation model in mind, so an external library introducing completely orthogonal concepts surely should not be modeled as "most friendly". Don't get me wrong — Effect can be great! But the library also deliberately does not market itself as simple, rather as modular and multi-faceted, a "toolbox" from which developers may (should?) choose some tools and omit others. A language that supports effects first-hand, like the proposed "Ante", would provide a much a more expressive, possibly simpler, and definitely friendlier approach than TS effect ever could.
marcosdumay 1y ago
Yeah, if you impose that effects must only be used to enforce code correctness, then only code that is hard to write correctly will benefit.
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codethief 1y ago
> The value proposition is only there when you have more elaborate concurrency needs I see the value every day when I look at a shitty piece of JavaScript or Python code that secretly modifies some global state behind the scenes. Or when I want to do dependency injection without resorting to frameworks doing some magic. Yes, I could drill my dependencies through the entire call stack, and often do because it's nicely explicit. But stuff like `logger` really doesn't belong in the function signature if it can be avoided.

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I wouldn't worry. Even the simplest and most friendly effects library: https://effect.website https://effect.website Shows clearly why they will never be a mai

by threeseed 1y ago

lblume 1y ago
> the simplest and most friendly effects library Highly unlikely. JavaScript simply isn't a language built with this kind of evaluation model in mind, so an external library introducing completely orthogonal concepts surely should not be modeled as "most friendly". Don't get me wrong — Effect can be great! But the library also deliberately does not market itself as simple, rather as modular and multi-faceted, a "toolbox" from which developers may (should?) choose some tools and omit others. A language that supports effects first-hand, like the proposed "Ante", would provide a much a more expressive, possibly simpler, and definitely friendlier approach than TS effect ever could.
marcosdumay 1y ago
Yeah, if you impose that effects must only be used to enforce code correctness, then only code that is hard to write correctly will benefit.
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codethief 1y ago
> The value proposition is only there when you have more elaborate concurrency needs I see the value every day when I look at a shitty piece of JavaScript or Python code that secretly modifies some global state behind the scenes. Or when I want to do dependency injection without resorting to frameworks doing some magic. Yes, I could drill my dependencies through the entire call stack, and often do because it's nicely explicit. But stuff like `logger` really doesn't belong in the function signature if it can be avoided.