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That’s obviously not true, if you change what you “have” to go to. There are thousands of American towns that are about 10k population - large enough to have a

That’s obviously not true, if you change what you “have” to go to. There are thousands of American towns that are about 10k population - large enough to have a Walmart and other stores, small enough to walk across in an hour or so.

cozzyd 1y ago
While such towns may have walkable cores, often places like Walmart are a huge pain to walk to.
- Aeolun 1y ago
  If you need only $400 a month, you have a looot of time to spend walking to Walmart.
  - cozzyd 1y ago
    It's not the distance, but hostile roads with no safe crossings.
    - bombcar 1y ago
      My admittedly unscientific survey of small Midwestern towns with Walmarts (that are NOT suburbs!) is that you can walk to the Walmart on sidewalks. At most, you have half a block to the nearest sidewalk, or have to cross the street. Some of the middling-old sections only have one sidewalk. The oldest have them on both sides of the street, and the newest developments have them also, usually.
      - cozzyd 1y ago
        The two smallish towns I've spent significant time in (Tomah WI and Palestine TX) both have difficult to walk to Walmarts. But glad to hear it's not universal! I see from Google maps that here in Illinois the situation seems to be a bit better... (E.g. Morris, Rantoul and even Du Quoin). Du Quoin seems very inexpensive and seems like it would make a better argument than somewhere truly rural (it even has Amtrak service)
      - macNchz 1y ago
        The Walmart in the area from this article is separated from the main town by a four lane road with no sidewalks, across which the nearest crosswalks are more than half a mile away in either direction—so you’re either playing high stakes Frogger, or, depending on your starting location, you might conceivably have to walk nearly two hours out of your way round trip along the shoulder of this road to use a crosswalk. They also get five feet of snow per year, so a good part of the year that walk is extra dangerous and miserable. I can’t say for sure, but I think this is much more typical of American Walmarts than it is to be able to easily walk to them. Streetview of your opponent as a pedestrian trying to access the Massena Walmart: https://maps.app.goo.gl/ufTWTHxHCReFP8VA9 https://maps.app.goo.gl/ufTWTHxHCReFP8VA9
    - lolinder 1y ago
      We're talking about towns of 10k. Traffic in these towns is pretty sparse and easily navigable as a pedestrian.
999900000999 1y ago
Once it gets cold you won't be walking much anywhere. I guess grocery delivery from Walmart can mitigate this, but that fundamentally changes the situation.
- cozzyd 1y ago
  Why not? You can walk plenty in the cold with the right equipment. I walked 2+ km a day at the south pole ...
  - 999900000999 1y ago
    It's really dangerous if you don't know what your doing. I'm about .5 km from the closest supermarket. If it's snowing or just cold out I'm still ordering food. If I'm mildly sick, ordering food. I'm going to guess that you're a really good shape that a 2 km walk isn't a big deal, but I don't think most Americans can do that.
    - xyzzy123 1y ago
      One way (not the only way and I get this won't work well for people with medical needs or kids) to handle this is stock up on rice, beans, nonperishables and have a good first aid kit. You go out to get your "freshies" but it's not an issue to be stuck at home for a week except in the most dire circumstances.
    - coolcase 1y ago
      > I'm going to guess that you're a really good shape that a 2 km walk isn't a big deal, but I don't think most Americans can do that. Shit that's horrifying. I have health issues and walking 2km a day to try to help fix. So I see 2km a day as basic. 6-10km run a day would be "fit" IMO. things as humans are designed to walk. Living in suburbia means I have to walk "for the sake of it" although I cam make it useful e.g. get some milk! As for cold. Anything above minus 5 should be OK just wear stuff like skiiers wear which can be got cheap off brand.
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therealdrag0 1y ago
And 10k is not even that small. I have family in a town of 4K and it has 2 full grocery stores and a Walmart super center.

cozzyd 1y ago

While such towns may have walkable cores, often places like Walmart are a huge pain to walk to.

Aeolun 1y ago
If you need only $400 a month, you have a looot of time to spend walking to Walmart.
- cozzyd 1y ago
  It's not the distance, but hostile roads with no safe crossings.
  - bombcar 1y ago
    My admittedly unscientific survey of small Midwestern towns with Walmarts (that are NOT suburbs!) is that you can walk to the Walmart on sidewalks. At most, you have half a block to the nearest sidewalk, or have to cross the street. Some of the middling-old sections only have one sidewalk. The oldest have them on both sides of the street, and the newest developments have them also, usually.
    - cozzyd 1y ago
      The two smallish towns I've spent significant time in (Tomah WI and Palestine TX) both have difficult to walk to Walmarts. But glad to hear it's not universal! I see from Google maps that here in Illinois the situation seems to be a bit better... (E.g. Morris, Rantoul and even Du Quoin). Du Quoin seems very inexpensive and seems like it would make a better argument than somewhere truly rural (it even has Amtrak service)
    - macNchz 1y ago
      The Walmart in the area from this article is separated from the main town by a four lane road with no sidewalks, across which the nearest crosswalks are more than half a mile away in either direction—so you’re either playing high stakes Frogger, or, depending on your starting location, you might conceivably have to walk nearly two hours out of your way round trip along the shoulder of this road to use a crosswalk. They also get five feet of snow per year, so a good part of the year that walk is extra dangerous and miserable. I can’t say for sure, but I think this is much more typical of American Walmarts than it is to be able to easily walk to them. Streetview of your opponent as a pedestrian trying to access the Massena Walmart: https://maps.app.goo.gl/ufTWTHxHCReFP8VA9 https://maps.app.goo.gl/ufTWTHxHCReFP8VA9
  - lolinder 1y ago
    We're talking about towns of 10k. Traffic in these towns is pretty sparse and easily navigable as a pedestrian.

999900000999 1y ago

Once it gets cold you won't be walking much anywhere. I guess grocery delivery from Walmart can mitigate this, but that fundamentally changes the situation.

cozzyd 1y ago
Why not? You can walk plenty in the cold with the right equipment. I walked 2+ km a day at the south pole ...
- 999900000999 1y ago
  It's really dangerous if you don't know what your doing. I'm about .5 km from the closest supermarket. If it's snowing or just cold out I'm still ordering food. If I'm mildly sick, ordering food. I'm going to guess that you're a really good shape that a 2 km walk isn't a big deal, but I don't think most Americans can do that.
  - xyzzy123 1y ago
    One way (not the only way and I get this won't work well for people with medical needs or kids) to handle this is stock up on rice, beans, nonperishables and have a good first aid kit. You go out to get your "freshies" but it's not an issue to be stuck at home for a week except in the most dire circumstances.
  - coolcase 1y ago
    > I'm going to guess that you're a really good shape that a 2 km walk isn't a big deal, but I don't think most Americans can do that. Shit that's horrifying. I have health issues and walking 2km a day to try to help fix. So I see 2km a day as basic. 6-10km run a day would be "fit" IMO. things as humans are designed to walk. Living in suburbia means I have to walk "for the sake of it" although I cam make it useful e.g. get some milk! As for cold. Anything above minus 5 should be OK just wear stuff like skiiers wear which can be got cheap off brand.
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therealdrag0 1y ago

And 10k is not even that small. I have family in a town of 4K and it has 2 full grocery stores and a Walmart super center.