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> At least pretend to not be a deep fake porn generator Why? Like, people are going to do it anyway. Whether in their minds or with some tool. Public or behind

by Aeolun 1y ago

> At least pretend to not be a deep fake porn generator Why? Like, people are going to do it anyway. Whether in their minds or with some tool. Public or behind closed doors. That genie is very firmly out of the bottle, and it’s not going to go back in. At least when it’s on Civit it’s abundantly clear it is fake content. You can run any of these models on a consumer GPU.

jazzyjackson 1y ago
Because we live in a society and so get to have some influence on what behaviors we deem acceptable from our peers, and creating sexual images with the faces of your neighbors, acquaintances and even your foes is considered by some of us unacceptable, degenerate behavior Just because something is possible doesn't mean it has to be allowed to happen
throwanem 1y ago
I'll credit this argument when I see you publish a training set of selfies, or a model finetuned thereon. If you want to argue no one should expect to have anything to hide, you'd better do it from a glass house and in the altogether if you mean to be taken seriously, don't you think? It is a radical departure. The example is therefore necessarily yours to set, else you show yourself a hypocrite.
- Aeolun 1y ago
  Just because I wouldn’t have an issue with random people generating porn of me, doesn’t mean I want to seek it out, see it, or facilitate it. It’s fundamentally no different from acknowledging that there may be a fanclub on the other side of the country with a stash of aeolun porn. As long as they’re not using it to advertise their services, and don’t tell me what kind of degenerate things they’re doing with it, what does that hurt me? Now that you’ve said it I’m actually mildly curious what would happen if I fine-tune a model purely on myself. But what would I do with it even if I made it? I can’t post it on Civit any more can I?
  - throwanem 1y ago
    I assume you could use it to produce generated images featuring yourself, which seems fine to me. But we make laws for the citizenry, not for you and me in particular. What news since diffusion models reached consumers suggests the citizenry can be trusted with tools this powerful? You can't buy a howitzer at Home Depot, either. These things are dangerous. I believe I recall hearing that people have died. Making the tools require some effort and skill to find seems warranted. Or did you think they cease to exist for no longer being so openly hosted? I'm sure such things are already traded in secret, and any traffic analyst with a sufficiently privileged perspective no doubt today knows much more about where and by whom.

by Aeolun 1y ago

jazzyjackson 1y ago

Because we live in a society and so get to have some influence on what behaviors we deem acceptable from our peers, and creating sexual images with the faces of your neighbors, acquaintances and even your foes is considered by some of us unacceptable, degenerate behavior Just because something is possible doesn't mean it has to be allowed to happen

throwanem 1y ago

I'll credit this argument when I see you publish a training set of selfies, or a model finetuned thereon. If you want to argue no one should expect to have anything to hide, you'd better do it from a glass house and in the altogether if you mean to be taken seriously, don't you think? It is a radical departure. The example is therefore necessarily yours to set, else you show yourself a hypocrite.

Aeolun 1y ago
Just because I wouldn’t have an issue with random people generating porn of me, doesn’t mean I want to seek it out, see it, or facilitate it. It’s fundamentally no different from acknowledging that there may be a fanclub on the other side of the country with a stash of aeolun porn. As long as they’re not using it to advertise their services, and don’t tell me what kind of degenerate things they’re doing with it, what does that hurt me? Now that you’ve said it I’m actually mildly curious what would happen if I fine-tune a model purely on myself. But what would I do with it even if I made it? I can’t post it on Civit any more can I?
- throwanem 1y ago
  I assume you could use it to produce generated images featuring yourself, which seems fine to me. But we make laws for the citizenry, not for you and me in particular. What news since diffusion models reached consumers suggests the citizenry can be trusted with tools this powerful? You can't buy a howitzer at Home Depot, either. These things are dangerous. I believe I recall hearing that people have died. Making the tools require some effort and skill to find seems warranted. Or did you think they cease to exist for no longer being so openly hosted? I'm sure such things are already traded in secret, and any traffic analyst with a sufficiently privileged perspective no doubt today knows much more about where and by whom.