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This is a bit of a risk for Ive, as until now he is credited with Apple's lauded design. If he does not produce an immediate success it'll be brand damaging and

by quitit 1y ago

This is a bit of a risk for Ive, as until now he is credited with Apple's lauded design. If he does not produce an immediate success it'll be brand damaging and wobble on his reputation. I also suspect it might go that way: post-Ive designs have been credited as being better, particularly around apple's laptops that were perceived as too heavily favouring form over function. More realistically Apple's design is good because they take the iterative approach seriously.

napierzaza 1y ago
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asveikau 1y ago
Why does Ive need to be churning out continuous hits? There is no shame in quitting while ahead, or considering your previous success to be a tough act to follow. I feel similar about Zuckerberg. That guy should just let the government break up his empire, let some other people run the pieces, and retire. Otherwise he just faces humiliation and being in over his head. But I guess ego keeps these people going.
- eloisant 1y ago
  You don't get where Zuck is without a huge ego and power hunger. If is plan was to retire as a billionaire, he could have done so years ago.
  - sureIy 1y ago
    > huge ego and power hunger Some people should probably be stopped before they get too hungry. Same with some bald guy in Eurasia right now.
  - ece 1y ago
    Bill Gates or Warren Buffet are the exception, not the norm.
    - PKop 1y ago
      Warren Buffet just retired so how is he an exception?
      - prewett 1y ago
        He retired at 94, which is exceptional on several accounts... If you date the "founding" of Berkshire Hathaway as when his fund bought the then textile manufacturer in 1965, he worked at the company he founded for 60 years! (If you consider the company that he founded to be the initial investment fund in his twenties, then he ran the company for over 70 years.) At 94, he's basically run Berkshire his entire life, which is hardly the get-rich-and-play sort. (In fact, he still lives in a small house in Omaha and is not known for spending lots of money.) Furthermore, he's pledged half his fortune to charity in his lifetime, and most of the rest after his death. He may have been responsible for the giving pledge, but if not, I think was instrumental in such success as it's had.
        PKop 1y ago
        The context was about being power hungry and ambitious to keep making more money, building a bigger business, perhaps fame, prestige, success, accomplishment... vs selling out early if just being a simple billionaire is adequate enough. Buffet worked his entire life as you said, which was my point, and was the richest in the world for a long time. He is not a counterpoint to Zuckerberg. And all of the billionaires donate money, I don't think that sets him apart from the others all that much.
        pacerier 1y ago
        Buffet is set apart and exceptional because he understood exactly what it takes to trick everyone into thinking he is a good man. (btw that helps his stock too) Now that he's gonna go soon (and having just a dozen more human gatherings and dinners left).. we can see that he fully doesn't give half an ounce of fuck after having received in full what he was after. After much show, Buffet's "charity" money got simply inherited by his kids just as it was planned all along! (taxfree too, you plebs!) The billionaires that care about the world are like Larry Page, tho still so evil.
  - deleted 1y ago
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  - asveikau 1y ago
    This seems like cope and justification of bad behavior.
- epolanski 1y ago
  Maybe they just enjoy doing what they do?
  - jonwinstanley 1y ago
    Weirdly, people often avoid relinquishing power
- osigurdson 1y ago
  I think having a founder stay on and lead, well after they are financially independent is very respectable. It says they are interested in more than just chilling on the beach.
  - deleted 1y ago
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  - asveikau 1y ago
    But when they cease to be competent and aren't able to admit it, it's less respectable.
  - piva00 1y ago
    > It says they are interested in more than just chilling on the beach. Which is not necessarily a good thing, being more interested in reshaping the world even after it becomes clear their vision for the new world isn't making it better just leaves someone with lots of power and bad ideas, not a good combo. I'd much rather have them chilling on the beach after being done with the limits of their competence.
    - pacerier 1y ago
      Indeed, the Americans have a very weird ruler for respect, which measures solely by power and sex (anything else beyond this two you have to wax wordy essays to convince of its value and still have dubious success) due to its original sin, crossing oceans and expanding westwards for its own sake, fueled by raw sex and power, be it brutes, scientists, farmers, mormons, evangelicals, and missionaries, then they teach their children the same, who teach their children the same. Orphans and imports don't escape. Even those that are not born here (eg Musk), are eventually taught by society to do the same. Zuckerberg and friends don't just want to chill on the beach: They want to 0wn it. A common property, then redefine it as "obviously not common", at the expense of others, so that no one else can chill on the beach, unless you provide compensation, for obviously infringing upon their rightful rights duh.
- jdonaldson 1y ago
  I still like original founders as CEO. Nothing beats the skin in the game from that.
  - asveikau 1y ago
    Do you think meta is doing well with Zuck's skin? In the last 10 years their main success is through acquisitions, a most of their new initiatives fail miserably, and they've had nothing but PR scandals. I recently read Careless People and I think it's hard to avoid the conclusion that he has been far out of his element for a long time.
    - linotype 1y ago
      Dude hasn’t had to grow since Harvard. Of course he’s stunted as a leader.
- hylaride 1y ago
  I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that Ive probably had to compromise a lot with Steve at the helm. It is generally regarded that (laptops especially) Apple hardware went to form over function when Ive got total control and when Apple finally reverted his vision was sidelined. If he has an ego, he probably really wants to have something is a Magnus Opus he can claim. It'll be interesting because good design is always a dance with other stakeholders. You see this with architects and other "designers" who sometimes go to far into art and forget that buildings do need to be used.
  - nindalf 1y ago
    Apple laptops were good before and after his reign of mediocrity. The butterfly keyboard and the Touch Bar were both terrible and I'm glad they're gone. The worst part about the butterfly keyboard was that keys would stop working and fixing it would cost the same as a new laptop. I guess that's what you sacrifice when you design the laptop as thin as Ive envisioned.
  - nazgulnarsil 1y ago
    good designers are obsessed with how things are used. the others are platonically wanking.
- Aeolun 1y ago
  > But I guess ego keeps these people going. I mean, if it were my company I’d also reserve the right to run it straight into the ground.
latexr 1y ago
> This is a bit of a risk for Ive, (…) If he does not produce an immediate success it'll be brand damaging and wobble on his reputation. He’s a billionaire approaching 60. You don’t need to worry about him, his brand, or his reputation. If he cared about it that much, he could’ve stayed at Apple. He chose to move back closer to his family. He didn’t launch a new design firm because he needed it, but because he wanted to.
- quitit 1y ago
  Legacy is not counted in dollars. > He’s a billionaire approaching 60. You don’t need to worry about him, his brand, or his reputation. "Interesting" take, was that projection?
troupo 1y ago
> This is a bit of a risk for Ive, as until now he is credited with Apple's lauded design. If he does not produce an immediate success it'll be brand damaging and wobble on his reputation. What has LoveFrom produced in 6 years since Ive quit Apple?
- modernerd 1y ago
  Some expensive jackets: https://www.moncler.com/en-us/sir-jony-ive-collaboration https://www.moncler.com/en-us/sir-jony-ive-collaboration Compostable red noses: https://www.designweek.co.uk/issues/30-january-3-february-2023/sir-jony-ive-designs-red-nose-comic-relief/ https://www.designweek.co.uk/issues/30-january-3-february-20... King Charles' new seal: https://www.wallpaper.com/design/terra-carta-seal-design-lovefrom-jony-ive https://www.wallpaper.com/design/terra-carta-seal-design-lov... Ferrari’s first electric car (not yet released): https://www.independent.co.uk/cars/electric-vehicles/ferrari-electric-car-release-date-price-jony-ive-b2680063.html https://www.independent.co.uk/cars/electric-vehicles/ferrari... Something vague with Airbnb: https://news.airbnb.com/designing-the-future-of-airbnb/ https://news.airbnb.com/designing-the-future-of-airbnb/
  - troupo 1y ago
    Well, now we know about AirBnB: https://news.airbnb.com/airbnb-2025-summer-release/ https://news.airbnb.com/airbnb-2025-summer-release/ :)
basisword 1y ago
>> he is credited with Apple's lauded design. If he does not produce an immediate success These are two very different things. You can design a wonderful product but if there isn't a need for it in the market or your business people fail to sell it it can be a failure. Judging design based on sales makes no sense.
- quitit 1y ago
  You've defined success as a financial hit. He's a designer, the success will be whether or not he invents a good design, an innovation to how AI is consumed. There are plenty of well designed products in his history that weren't big sellers.
  - basisword 1y ago
    I think you've replied to the wrong post. We're in agreement.
    - deleted 1y ago
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hbn 1y ago
Jobs has been dead for almost 15 years, he's already had plenty of time to prove himself. By the time he left Apple he was known for his obsession with thinness at the cost of function (if not straight up ruining the product), such as that stupid keyboard design from the late 2010s that sucked to type on, had failure rates comparable to the Xbox 360's RRoD, and was somewhere in the ballpark of $700 to repair because the ridiculous thin construction didn't allow for individual keys to be replaced.
- vaxman 1y ago
  Ive designed bathroom fixtures before Apple and had been parked at Apple making the dumbest looking computers you can image for a very long time until my Dad's lifelong coworker brought Steve back --something I am on record telling people would be the only thing that would save Apple's arse (usually adding that Hell would freeze over before that happened). When Steve returned, he found all they had left was an ability to make laptops and so, the race was on to surround them with fixtures..enter his old pal Jony Ive. In the time since, things got a bit out of hand (pun intended) with the Vision Pro, he's moved on and Tim Apple figured out a way to get all the R&D money back...but did Ive just land $6B+ for incarnating "Dr. Theopolis"? Yes, https://youtu.be/1ZCxXjDlaf8 https://youtu.be/1ZCxXjDlaf8 yes, I think he did... Good on Him! :D

by quitit 1y ago

napierzaza 1y ago

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asveikau 1y ago

Why does Ive need to be churning out continuous hits? There is no shame in quitting while ahead, or considering your previous success to be a tough act to follow. I feel similar about Zuckerberg. That guy should just let the government break up his empire, let some other people run the pieces, and retire. Otherwise he just faces humiliation and being in over his head. But I guess ego keeps these people going.

eloisant 1y ago
You don't get where Zuck is without a huge ego and power hunger. If is plan was to retire as a billionaire, he could have done so years ago.
- sureIy 1y ago
  > huge ego and power hunger Some people should probably be stopped before they get too hungry. Same with some bald guy in Eurasia right now.
- ece 1y ago
  Bill Gates or Warren Buffet are the exception, not the norm.
  - PKop 1y ago
    Warren Buffet just retired so how is he an exception?
    - prewett 1y ago
      He retired at 94, which is exceptional on several accounts... If you date the "founding" of Berkshire Hathaway as when his fund bought the then textile manufacturer in 1965, he worked at the company he founded for 60 years! (If you consider the company that he founded to be the initial investment fund in his twenties, then he ran the company for over 70 years.) At 94, he's basically run Berkshire his entire life, which is hardly the get-rich-and-play sort. (In fact, he still lives in a small house in Omaha and is not known for spending lots of money.) Furthermore, he's pledged half his fortune to charity in his lifetime, and most of the rest after his death. He may have been responsible for the giving pledge, but if not, I think was instrumental in such success as it's had.
      - PKop 1y ago
        The context was about being power hungry and ambitious to keep making more money, building a bigger business, perhaps fame, prestige, success, accomplishment... vs selling out early if just being a simple billionaire is adequate enough. Buffet worked his entire life as you said, which was my point, and was the richest in the world for a long time. He is not a counterpoint to Zuckerberg. And all of the billionaires donate money, I don't think that sets him apart from the others all that much.
        pacerier 1y ago
        Buffet is set apart and exceptional because he understood exactly what it takes to trick everyone into thinking he is a good man. (btw that helps his stock too) Now that he's gonna go soon (and having just a dozen more human gatherings and dinners left).. we can see that he fully doesn't give half an ounce of fuck after having received in full what he was after. After much show, Buffet's "charity" money got simply inherited by his kids just as it was planned all along! (taxfree too, you plebs!) The billionaires that care about the world are like Larry Page, tho still so evil.
- deleted 1y ago
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- asveikau 1y ago
  This seems like cope and justification of bad behavior.
epolanski 1y ago
Maybe they just enjoy doing what they do?
- jonwinstanley 1y ago
  Weirdly, people often avoid relinquishing power
osigurdson 1y ago
I think having a founder stay on and lead, well after they are financially independent is very respectable. It says they are interested in more than just chilling on the beach.
- deleted 1y ago
  [deleted]
- asveikau 1y ago
  But when they cease to be competent and aren't able to admit it, it's less respectable.
- piva00 1y ago
  > It says they are interested in more than just chilling on the beach. Which is not necessarily a good thing, being more interested in reshaping the world even after it becomes clear their vision for the new world isn't making it better just leaves someone with lots of power and bad ideas, not a good combo. I'd much rather have them chilling on the beach after being done with the limits of their competence.
  - pacerier 1y ago
    Indeed, the Americans have a very weird ruler for respect, which measures solely by power and sex (anything else beyond this two you have to wax wordy essays to convince of its value and still have dubious success) due to its original sin, crossing oceans and expanding westwards for its own sake, fueled by raw sex and power, be it brutes, scientists, farmers, mormons, evangelicals, and missionaries, then they teach their children the same, who teach their children the same. Orphans and imports don't escape. Even those that are not born here (eg Musk), are eventually taught by society to do the same. Zuckerberg and friends don't just want to chill on the beach: They want to 0wn it. A common property, then redefine it as "obviously not common", at the expense of others, so that no one else can chill on the beach, unless you provide compensation, for obviously infringing upon their rightful rights duh.
jdonaldson 1y ago
I still like original founders as CEO. Nothing beats the skin in the game from that.
- asveikau 1y ago
  Do you think meta is doing well with Zuck's skin? In the last 10 years their main success is through acquisitions, a most of their new initiatives fail miserably, and they've had nothing but PR scandals. I recently read Careless People and I think it's hard to avoid the conclusion that he has been far out of his element for a long time.
  - linotype 1y ago
    Dude hasn’t had to grow since Harvard. Of course he’s stunted as a leader.
hylaride 1y ago
I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that Ive probably had to compromise a lot with Steve at the helm. It is generally regarded that (laptops especially) Apple hardware went to form over function when Ive got total control and when Apple finally reverted his vision was sidelined. If he has an ego, he probably really wants to have something is a Magnus Opus he can claim. It'll be interesting because good design is always a dance with other stakeholders. You see this with architects and other "designers" who sometimes go to far into art and forget that buildings do need to be used.
- nindalf 1y ago
  Apple laptops were good before and after his reign of mediocrity. The butterfly keyboard and the Touch Bar were both terrible and I'm glad they're gone. The worst part about the butterfly keyboard was that keys would stop working and fixing it would cost the same as a new laptop. I guess that's what you sacrifice when you design the laptop as thin as Ive envisioned.
- nazgulnarsil 1y ago
  good designers are obsessed with how things are used. the others are platonically wanking.
Aeolun 1y ago
> But I guess ego keeps these people going. I mean, if it were my company I’d also reserve the right to run it straight into the ground.

latexr 1y ago

> This is a bit of a risk for Ive, (…) If he does not produce an immediate success it'll be brand damaging and wobble on his reputation. He’s a billionaire approaching 60. You don’t need to worry about him, his brand, or his reputation. If he cared about it that much, he could’ve stayed at Apple. He chose to move back closer to his family. He didn’t launch a new design firm because he needed it, but because he wanted to.

quitit 1y ago
Legacy is not counted in dollars. > He’s a billionaire approaching 60. You don’t need to worry about him, his brand, or his reputation. "Interesting" take, was that projection?

troupo 1y ago

> This is a bit of a risk for Ive, as until now he is credited with Apple's lauded design. If he does not produce an immediate success it'll be brand damaging and wobble on his reputation. What has LoveFrom produced in 6 years since Ive quit Apple?

modernerd 1y ago
Some expensive jackets: https://www.moncler.com/en-us/sir-jony-ive-collaboration https://www.moncler.com/en-us/sir-jony-ive-collaboration Compostable red noses: https://www.designweek.co.uk/issues/30-january-3-february-2023/sir-jony-ive-designs-red-nose-comic-relief/ https://www.designweek.co.uk/issues/30-january-3-february-20... King Charles' new seal: https://www.wallpaper.com/design/terra-carta-seal-design-lovefrom-jony-ive https://www.wallpaper.com/design/terra-carta-seal-design-lov... Ferrari’s first electric car (not yet released): https://www.independent.co.uk/cars/electric-vehicles/ferrari-electric-car-release-date-price-jony-ive-b2680063.html https://www.independent.co.uk/cars/electric-vehicles/ferrari... Something vague with Airbnb: https://news.airbnb.com/designing-the-future-of-airbnb/ https://news.airbnb.com/designing-the-future-of-airbnb/
- troupo 1y ago
  Well, now we know about AirBnB: https://news.airbnb.com/airbnb-2025-summer-release/ https://news.airbnb.com/airbnb-2025-summer-release/ :)

basisword 1y ago

>> he is credited with Apple's lauded design. If he does not produce an immediate success These are two very different things. You can design a wonderful product but if there isn't a need for it in the market or your business people fail to sell it it can be a failure. Judging design based on sales makes no sense.

quitit 1y ago
You've defined success as a financial hit. He's a designer, the success will be whether or not he invents a good design, an innovation to how AI is consumed. There are plenty of well designed products in his history that weren't big sellers.
- basisword 1y ago
  I think you've replied to the wrong post. We're in agreement.
  - deleted 1y ago
    [deleted]

hbn 1y ago

Jobs has been dead for almost 15 years, he's already had plenty of time to prove himself. By the time he left Apple he was known for his obsession with thinness at the cost of function (if not straight up ruining the product), such as that stupid keyboard design from the late 2010s that sucked to type on, had failure rates comparable to the Xbox 360's RRoD, and was somewhere in the ballpark of $700 to repair because the ridiculous thin construction didn't allow for individual keys to be replaced.

vaxman 1y ago
Ive designed bathroom fixtures before Apple and had been parked at Apple making the dumbest looking computers you can image for a very long time until my Dad's lifelong coworker brought Steve back --something I am on record telling people would be the only thing that would save Apple's arse (usually adding that Hell would freeze over before that happened). When Steve returned, he found all they had left was an ability to make laptops and so, the race was on to surround them with fixtures..enter his old pal Jony Ive. In the time since, things got a bit out of hand (pun intended) with the Vision Pro, he's moved on and Tim Apple figured out a way to get all the R&D money back...but did Ive just land $6B+ for incarnating "Dr. Theopolis"? Yes, https://youtu.be/1ZCxXjDlaf8 https://youtu.be/1ZCxXjDlaf8 yes, I think he did... Good on Him! :D