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I told ChatGPT my mom's name the day my account got persistent memory, last april. I also told it to figure out my dad's name. Once a month or so I would ask it
by qntmfred 1y ago
I told ChatGPT my mom's name the day my account got persistent memory, last april. I also told it to figure out my dad's name. Once a month or so I would ask it my mom and dad's name. By november it had figured out my dad's name.
https://x.com/kenwarner/status/1859637611595214888 https://x.com/kenwarner/status/1859637611595214888
- hattmall 1y agoIs the tweet saying that you also told it your name and then it guessed that your Dad's name was the same as yours?
- qntmfred 1y agocorrect
- skylissue 1y agoUnfortunately I feel like the fact that your dad's name is the same as yours somewhat diminishes that accomplishment.
- cc81 1y agoI think that is the accomplishment. It progressed from not being able to give an answer because it did not have the direct knowledge to being able to make a guess based on a pattern of naming of others in the family and a clue.
- staticman2 1y agoI asked Gemini and Gemini thinks even knowing Ken's uncle is a junior Ken's father is more likely to be named "John" or "James". If Gemini is correct ChatGPT is dumb and simply got lucky.
- cc81 1y agoCould absolutely be that. Or it is so smart that it realizes that the author believes they have given enough information and that it should not have to land on a low chance guess. So that pattern is the only one that make sense in that case. Maybe unlikely that is that smart though
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- staticman2 1y agoWhat the author provided is not necessarily the same as what the software forwarded to the model, especially if some sort of "recall" feature is being used.
- qntmfred 1y agoour middle names are James.
- landl0rd 1y agoOne important note is that chatgpt has a memory you cannot see, besides chat history and besides memory. You cannot purge or manage this memory. I don't yet know how long it lasts. I don't know if it's some form of cached recent interaction or is a hidden permanent memory.
- planb 1y agoThis is not true. How do you come to this conclusion?
- landl0rd 1y agoBy specifically testing it. I even made an extra account to get a clean state. You can check its memory interface and find nothing, delete all chats. It will still remember it. If you delete that and start a new thread, it may even mention the fact then say it forgot it at the user's request. You can't tell me "that's not true". If my account's memory is empty and I've deleted all chats and it still remembers things there is some hidden form of memory. It may be intentional. It may not. But it's retaining information in a way that users can't manage.
- planb 1y agoSorry, but I refuse to believe you until you provide proof. What exactly did it remember? I think you are misreading the hallucinations here. If this was true, there might even be laws here in Europe that they are breaking.
- BeetleB 1y agoFair concern, but: 1. This is via Gemini, and I had been using Gemini for only a few days prior to this experiment. I assure you I never mentioned anyone's name to it before this. 2. This was via API. Whether Gemini or OpenAI, they do not train/retain this kind of memory if accessed via API. 99% of my interaction with LLMs is via APIs. I don't think I've ever used the ChatGPT interface.