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I absolutely hate how Windows now basically forces you to sign in with a Microsoft ID in order to facilitate this kind of stuff. I just want a local system; I d

I absolutely hate how Windows now basically forces you to sign in with a Microsoft ID in order to facilitate this kind of stuff. I just want a local system; I don't need all this online crap built into my desktop OS. For the last two decades or so I've been running Linux for everything (personal and work) except for gaming. I'm to the point of being sufficiently annoyed with Windows that I'm going to set up a Linux disk for gaming to see how that goes. I've used Wine etc. for gaming sporadically throughout the years. Recently that landscape has improved quite a bit thanks to Valve.

firen777 1y ago
While it's been improved a whole lot, it's not all sunshine and rainbow as some game companies decided to drop support after they decided kernel anti-cheat is the way (notably GTA onlin & Apex legend). That being said, I personally use proton compatibility to gauge whether a game is worth my time so I'm not too bothered by this. And I'm constantly surprised by how much the Venn diagram of games that don't run on Linux and games that have off-putting bullshit unrelated to Linux looks like a single overlapping circle.
- cdr 1y ago
  All major online game companies are moving towards kernel-level anticheat, as it's almost pointless to attempt anticheat otherwise.
  - polski-g 1y ago
    Microsoft should block kernel mods and offer their own anti cheat hooks.
    - Henchman21 1y ago
      Seems like Linux can do the same? Or is it aleady done? If not, this would be a pretty great thing for Valve to contribute.
      - shakna 1y ago
        VAC already runs on Linux. So Valve have their "solution". Unfortunately, VAC is... Terrible. For both gamers and publishers.
        flxy 1y ago
        While VAC is indeed far from competent at detecting all but the most rudimentary cheats, it is so by design. When the first third party CSGO matchmaking/league services decided to use kernel level AC, Valve publically said they would personally not do such a thing. I can't remember if any exact reasons were named at the time, but I do think it's a fair take on their end. It's not like they're locking developers into using VAC anyway. Furthermore, more recently they have debuted VACNet, which uses machine learning, most likely to recognize certain patterns and behaviors associated with cheating. Probably still avoidable if one were to use subtle settings and knows how to act properly. But it shows they haven't given up and are trying to explore alternative methods at least. I'm admittedly not familiar with how successful it has been as I have not been playing or even following the game for a long time.
        shakna 1y ago
        VACNet banned high-DPI mouse users. So its going "great".
        chii 1y ago
        > VAC is... Terrible. For both gamers and publishers. as a non-online gamer, what's so terrible about VAC? I had heard it worked pretty well (at least for counterstrike).
        shakna 1y ago
        "VAC bans are permanent, non-negotiable, and cannot be removed by Steam Support. If a VAC ban is determined to have been issued incorrectly it will automatically be removed." [0] False bans cannot be appealed. They do happen. [1] You have no power to deal with them when they happen, and they really, really do happen. [2] You don't just get a game or server ban, you lose pretty much everything, and it becomes a public permanent record. Unless you're part of a headline, you have zero chance of reversal. [0] https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/647C-5CC1-7EA9-3C29 https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/647C-5CC1-7EA9-3C... [1] https://www.eurogamer.net/counter-strike-2-players-banned-for-moving-mouse-too-quickly https://www.eurogamer.net/counter-strike-2-players-banned-fo... [2] https://linustechtips.com/topic/1535786-valve-urges-amd-users-to-disable-the-anti-lag-feature-due-to-causing-vac-bans/ https://linustechtips.com/topic/1535786-valve-urges-amd-user...
sierra1011 1y ago
I recommend Bazzite, a Fedora SilverBlue image customised for gaming on Linux. I've been gaming on it exclusively for over a year and between it, Steam, and Proton, I'm yet to encounter a game in my steam library that doesn't run. https://bazzite.gg/ https://bazzite.gg/

firen777 1y ago

While it's been improved a whole lot, it's not all sunshine and rainbow as some game companies decided to drop support after they decided kernel anti-cheat is the way (notably GTA onlin & Apex legend). That being said, I personally use proton compatibility to gauge whether a game is worth my time so I'm not too bothered by this. And I'm constantly surprised by how much the Venn diagram of games that don't run on Linux and games that have off-putting bullshit unrelated to Linux looks like a single overlapping circle.

cdr 1y ago
All major online game companies are moving towards kernel-level anticheat, as it's almost pointless to attempt anticheat otherwise.
- polski-g 1y ago
  Microsoft should block kernel mods and offer their own anti cheat hooks.
  - Henchman21 1y ago
    Seems like Linux can do the same? Or is it aleady done? If not, this would be a pretty great thing for Valve to contribute.
    - shakna 1y ago
      VAC already runs on Linux. So Valve have their "solution". Unfortunately, VAC is... Terrible. For both gamers and publishers.
      - flxy 1y ago
        While VAC is indeed far from competent at detecting all but the most rudimentary cheats, it is so by design. When the first third party CSGO matchmaking/league services decided to use kernel level AC, Valve publically said they would personally not do such a thing. I can't remember if any exact reasons were named at the time, but I do think it's a fair take on their end. It's not like they're locking developers into using VAC anyway. Furthermore, more recently they have debuted VACNet, which uses machine learning, most likely to recognize certain patterns and behaviors associated with cheating. Probably still avoidable if one were to use subtle settings and knows how to act properly. But it shows they haven't given up and are trying to explore alternative methods at least. I'm admittedly not familiar with how successful it has been as I have not been playing or even following the game for a long time.
        shakna 1y ago
        VACNet banned high-DPI mouse users. So its going "great".
      - chii 1y ago
        > VAC is... Terrible. For both gamers and publishers. as a non-online gamer, what's so terrible about VAC? I had heard it worked pretty well (at least for counterstrike).
        shakna 1y ago
        "VAC bans are permanent, non-negotiable, and cannot be removed by Steam Support. If a VAC ban is determined to have been issued incorrectly it will automatically be removed." [0] False bans cannot be appealed. They do happen. [1] You have no power to deal with them when they happen, and they really, really do happen. [2] You don't just get a game or server ban, you lose pretty much everything, and it becomes a public permanent record. Unless you're part of a headline, you have zero chance of reversal. [0] https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/647C-5CC1-7EA9-3C29 https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/647C-5CC1-7EA9-3C... [1] https://www.eurogamer.net/counter-strike-2-players-banned-for-moving-mouse-too-quickly https://www.eurogamer.net/counter-strike-2-players-banned-fo... [2] https://linustechtips.com/topic/1535786-valve-urges-amd-users-to-disable-the-anti-lag-feature-due-to-causing-vac-bans/ https://linustechtips.com/topic/1535786-valve-urges-amd-user...

sierra1011 1y ago

I recommend Bazzite, a Fedora SilverBlue image customised for gaming on Linux. I've been gaming on it exclusively for over a year and between it, Steam, and Proton, I'm yet to encounter a game in my steam library that doesn't run. https://bazzite.gg/ https://bazzite.gg/