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Weird way of attacking Microsoft, when this is a feature users will soon want everywhere. The latest Android update already introduced screen sharing with Gemi

Weird way of attacking Microsoft, when this is a feature users will soon want everywhere. The latest Android update already introduced screen sharing with Gemini. Their web app has that too. It wont be long until people complaining here about DRM/Microsoft will have an always on AI watching their screen by their own choice.

scubbo 1y ago
> this is a feature users will soon want everywhere Some users - the less privacy-conscious. Many others (who probably frequent this site) actively do (and will) not.
Firehawke 1y ago
I'm normally not one to attack the messenger and just attack the message, but lay off the crack. 99% of users don't want anything even remotely like this. The thought of a single database (even encrypted) that could contain random login/password information, personal information, etc. and easily exfiltrated by whatever new zero-day of the week is NOT pleasant in the slightest.
BriggyDwiggs42 1y ago
If I could run the model locally I would do that, but sending screenshots of everything I do + metadata to microsoft is way too much for me because, to start, I don’t want them selling my data to advertisers.
- fwip 1y ago
  Recall only runs locally - it doesn't send any data off-device, and doesn't work if you don't have an "AI+" chip.
  - cosmic_cheese 1y ago
    It’s still not fully user-controllable, which is a critical distinction. It remains local-only until Microsoft decides otherwise, and MS can always put in hooks that makes it easy for them to exfiltrate specific data that was technically harvested locally on a per-user or per-demographic basis. The level of trust required is truly extraordinary.
    - dist-epoch 1y ago
      > and MS can always put in hooks that makes it easy for them to exfiltrate specific data that was technically harvested Just like they always can put hooks into Windows to do the same thing. And Google can put hooks into Android. And Apple into macOS.
      - cosmic_cheese 1y ago
        With AI that processes periodically-captured screenshots, the threat is an order of magnitude greater. It’s always been possible for companies to indiscriminately copy data, but cost and risk of detection have made doing so an expensive and risky proposition. AI flips that on its head and makes it possible to target individuals and groups with incredible precision and reduces the volume of data that needs to be transmitted to almost nothing.
    - vel0city 1y ago
      > MS can always put in hooks that makes it easy for them to exfiltrate specific data MS can issue an update any day to just copy all drives you currently have attached to Azure, if we're going to put on our tin foil hats.
      - yjftsjthsd-h 1y ago
        Er, isn't that how onedrive works? It's not a "tin foil hat" move to point out that that's exactly what does happen to users who aren't paying attention and opting out, and it's equally valid to extrapolate that they might continue similar behaviors with new features.
        vel0city 1y ago
        No, OneDrive doesn't upload all data from all attached drives.
        Dylan16807 1y ago
        You're right, it only started uploading people's most important data without clear and deliberate setup, not all their data. That's more than enough to make these worries not tinfoil hat.
  - blindriver 1y ago
    it doesn't send any data off-device... YET. "Free cloud storage for your recalls, we will only scan it for bad thoughts not for good thoughts, we promise!"
  - BriggyDwiggs42 1y ago
    Oh, is it that lightweight? I’ll look forward to the open source equivalent then. I try not to rope myself into services that may change for the worse later, but I’ve got nothing against the idea.
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scubbo 1y ago

> this is a feature users will soon want everywhere Some users - the less privacy-conscious. Many others (who probably frequent this site) actively do (and will) not.

Firehawke 1y ago

I'm normally not one to attack the messenger and just attack the message, but lay off the crack. 99% of users don't want anything even remotely like this. The thought of a single database (even encrypted) that could contain random login/password information, personal information, etc. and easily exfiltrated by whatever new zero-day of the week is NOT pleasant in the slightest.

BriggyDwiggs42 1y ago

If I could run the model locally I would do that, but sending screenshots of everything I do + metadata to microsoft is way too much for me because, to start, I don’t want them selling my data to advertisers.

fwip 1y ago
Recall only runs locally - it doesn't send any data off-device, and doesn't work if you don't have an "AI+" chip.
- cosmic_cheese 1y ago
  It’s still not fully user-controllable, which is a critical distinction. It remains local-only until Microsoft decides otherwise, and MS can always put in hooks that makes it easy for them to exfiltrate specific data that was technically harvested locally on a per-user or per-demographic basis. The level of trust required is truly extraordinary.
  - dist-epoch 1y ago
    > and MS can always put in hooks that makes it easy for them to exfiltrate specific data that was technically harvested Just like they always can put hooks into Windows to do the same thing. And Google can put hooks into Android. And Apple into macOS.
    - cosmic_cheese 1y ago
      With AI that processes periodically-captured screenshots, the threat is an order of magnitude greater. It’s always been possible for companies to indiscriminately copy data, but cost and risk of detection have made doing so an expensive and risky proposition. AI flips that on its head and makes it possible to target individuals and groups with incredible precision and reduces the volume of data that needs to be transmitted to almost nothing.
  - vel0city 1y ago
    > MS can always put in hooks that makes it easy for them to exfiltrate specific data MS can issue an update any day to just copy all drives you currently have attached to Azure, if we're going to put on our tin foil hats.
    - yjftsjthsd-h 1y ago
      Er, isn't that how onedrive works? It's not a "tin foil hat" move to point out that that's exactly what does happen to users who aren't paying attention and opting out, and it's equally valid to extrapolate that they might continue similar behaviors with new features.
      - vel0city 1y ago
        No, OneDrive doesn't upload all data from all attached drives.
        Dylan16807 1y ago
        You're right, it only started uploading people's most important data without clear and deliberate setup, not all their data. That's more than enough to make these worries not tinfoil hat.
- blindriver 1y ago
  it doesn't send any data off-device... YET. "Free cloud storage for your recalls, we will only scan it for bad thoughts not for good thoughts, we promise!"
- BriggyDwiggs42 1y ago
  Oh, is it that lightweight? I’ll look forward to the open source equivalent then. I try not to rope myself into services that may change for the worse later, but I’ve got nothing against the idea.
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