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>To help mitigate this issue, we made the setting easy to disable (Signal Settings → Privacy → Screen security), but it’s difficult to accidentally disable It'

>To help mitigate this issue, we made the setting easy to disable (Signal Settings → Privacy → Screen security), but it’s difficult to accidentally disable It's easy to disable, but it's difficult to disable?

weird_trousers 1y ago
There is a difference between "disable" and "accidentally disable".
- ranger_danger 1y ago
  Yes but as I understand it, "easy to disable" and "difficult to accidentally disable" are opposites. EDIT: Apparently people have different definitions of easy. Fair enough
  - qntty 1y ago
    Child-proof caps are easy to take off but difficult to accidentally take off.
    - ranger_danger 1y ago
      I don't consider those easy to take off but ok
  - em-bee 1y ago
    not at all. "easy to disable" means you can easily find the place where and how to do it. "difficult to accidentally disable" means you can't disable it without intentionally going to the place and making that choice. of course there are cases where easy to change something also means easy to accidentally change it, and those are annoying. but they don't have to be like that.
  - vel0city 1y ago
    They aren't opposites though. Its entirely possible to have something "easy to disable" and "difficult to accidentally disable". Easy to disable, in that there are some easy to understand and find steps to disable it. Difficult to accidentally disable, meaning its not something that would be disabled as a side effect of some other change, isn't just a single click, isn't poorly labeled or described, etc. In this case, it is first presented as a check box in the Privacy Settings area. It is titled "Screen security" and says "Prevent screenshots of Signal on this computer for added privacy.". Well documented. Click the check box, and it presents a modal window. The window then says, "Disable screen security? If disabled, this may allow Microsoft Windows to capture screenshots of Signal and use them for features that may not be private." You then have a Cancel or Disable buttons. Its two steps to change it after navigating to that part of the menu. The positions to click are different between the two steps. It confirms if you're really wanting to disable it, and tells you things may be able to take screenshots of the app. This reminds me of platforms which require you to type the name of a resource to delete something potentially important. It's easy to do, but one wouldn't accidentally click a button, type the full name of the resource, then click the confirm button. My electric lawn mower is both easy to start the blade and difficult to accidentally start. You have to hold a button and then pull the start lever. Its two actions that you reasonably have to do with two hands in a particular order. Both actions are easy to do, doing both of them are easy (assuming you have two somewhat functional hands). Once going you just need to continue to hold the lever and just release that to stop the blade.
    - ranger_danger 1y ago
      To me, if something is "difficult to disable" in any way, accidentally or not, then by definition it can't be "easy to disable". You might disagree but that's ok.
      - vel0city 1y ago
        You're misreading things. It's not "difficult to disable" && "easy to disable" Its "difficult to accidentally disable". Accidentally. Its another word in the sentence that radically changes the meaning of the phrase. Read the whole sentence. Each word has meaning, you can't just ignore some of them.
  - danillonunes 1y ago
    There are plenty of examples of things that are easy to do and at same time difficult to accidentally do. One that came to mind is the "slide to unlock" interface from the first iPhone.
    - ranger_danger 1y ago
      I strongly disagree as I have accidentally slide-unlocked many a phone in my day. Maybe we just have different definitions of easy.
      - Dylan16807 1y ago
        Then inputting a pin or most patterns instead! Easy to do, but extremely unlikely to happen accidentally. You're the one that is looking for an example, you should be able to make that iteration yourself.

weird_trousers 1y ago

There is a difference between "disable" and "accidentally disable".

ranger_danger 1y ago
Yes but as I understand it, "easy to disable" and "difficult to accidentally disable" are opposites. EDIT: Apparently people have different definitions of easy. Fair enough
- qntty 1y ago
  Child-proof caps are easy to take off but difficult to accidentally take off.
  - ranger_danger 1y ago
    I don't consider those easy to take off but ok
- em-bee 1y ago
  not at all. "easy to disable" means you can easily find the place where and how to do it. "difficult to accidentally disable" means you can't disable it without intentionally going to the place and making that choice. of course there are cases where easy to change something also means easy to accidentally change it, and those are annoying. but they don't have to be like that.
- vel0city 1y ago
  They aren't opposites though. Its entirely possible to have something "easy to disable" and "difficult to accidentally disable". Easy to disable, in that there are some easy to understand and find steps to disable it. Difficult to accidentally disable, meaning its not something that would be disabled as a side effect of some other change, isn't just a single click, isn't poorly labeled or described, etc. In this case, it is first presented as a check box in the Privacy Settings area. It is titled "Screen security" and says "Prevent screenshots of Signal on this computer for added privacy.". Well documented. Click the check box, and it presents a modal window. The window then says, "Disable screen security? If disabled, this may allow Microsoft Windows to capture screenshots of Signal and use them for features that may not be private." You then have a Cancel or Disable buttons. Its two steps to change it after navigating to that part of the menu. The positions to click are different between the two steps. It confirms if you're really wanting to disable it, and tells you things may be able to take screenshots of the app. This reminds me of platforms which require you to type the name of a resource to delete something potentially important. It's easy to do, but one wouldn't accidentally click a button, type the full name of the resource, then click the confirm button. My electric lawn mower is both easy to start the blade and difficult to accidentally start. You have to hold a button and then pull the start lever. Its two actions that you reasonably have to do with two hands in a particular order. Both actions are easy to do, doing both of them are easy (assuming you have two somewhat functional hands). Once going you just need to continue to hold the lever and just release that to stop the blade.
  - ranger_danger 1y ago
    To me, if something is "difficult to disable" in any way, accidentally or not, then by definition it can't be "easy to disable". You might disagree but that's ok.
    - vel0city 1y ago
      You're misreading things. It's not "difficult to disable" && "easy to disable" Its "difficult to accidentally disable". Accidentally. Its another word in the sentence that radically changes the meaning of the phrase. Read the whole sentence. Each word has meaning, you can't just ignore some of them.
- danillonunes 1y ago
  There are plenty of examples of things that are easy to do and at same time difficult to accidentally do. One that came to mind is the "slide to unlock" interface from the first iPhone.
  - ranger_danger 1y ago
    I strongly disagree as I have accidentally slide-unlocked many a phone in my day. Maybe we just have different definitions of easy.
    - Dylan16807 1y ago
      Then inputting a pin or most patterns instead! Easy to do, but extremely unlikely to happen accidentally. You're the one that is looking for an example, you should be able to make that iteration yourself.