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I do love one bot asking another bot to sign a CLA! - https://github.com/dotnet/runtime/pull/115732#issuecomment-2891990223 https://github.com/dotnet/runtime/pu

I do love one bot asking another bot to sign a CLA! - https://github.com/dotnet/runtime/pull/115732#issuecomment-2891990223 https://github.com/dotnet/runtime/pull/115732#issuecomment-2...

90s_dev 1y ago
Well?? Did it sign it???
- jsheard 1y ago
  Not sure if a chatbot can legally sign a contract, we'd better ask ChatGPT for a second opinion.
  - gortok 1y ago
    At least currently, to qualify for copyright, there must be a human author. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-appeals-court-rejects-copyrights-ai-generated-art-lacking-human-creator-2025-03-18/ https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-appeals-court-rejects-co... I have no idea how this will ultimately shake out legally, but it would be absolutely wild for Microsoft to not have thought about this potential legal issue.
  - tessierashpool9 1y ago
    offer it more money, then it will sign
  - TuringNYC 1y ago
    There is some unfortunate history here, though not a perfect analog: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_United_States_foreclosure_crisis#Robo-signing_controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_United_States_foreclosure...
    - deleted 1y ago
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  - Hamuko 1y ago
    I would imagine it can't sign it, especially with the options given. >I have sole ownership of intellectual property rights to my Submissions I would assume that the AI cannot have IP ownership considering that an AI cannot have copyright in the US. >I am making Submissions in the course of work for my employer (or my employer has intellectual property rights in my Submissions by contract or applicable law). I have permission from my employer to make Submissions and enter into this Agreement on behalf of my employer. Surely an AI would not be classified as an employee and therefore would not have an employer. Has Microsoft drafted an employment contract with Copilot? And if we consider an AI agent to be an employee, is it protected by the Fair Labor Standards Act? Is it getting paid at least minimum wage?
  - b0ner_t0ner 1y ago
    Just need the chatbot to connect to an MCP to call my robotic arm to sign it.
- marcosdumay 1y ago
  It didn't. It completely ignored the request. (Turns out the AI was programmed to ignore bots. Go figure.)
pm215 1y ago
That's funny, but also interesting that it didn't "sign" it. I would naively have expected that being handed a clear instruction like "reply with the following information" would strongly bias the LLM to reply as requested. I wonder if they've special cased that kind of thing in the prompt; or perhaps my intuition is just wrong here?
- Quarrel 1y ago
  AI can't, as I understand it, have copyright over anything they do. Nor can it be an entity to sign anything. I assume the "not-copyrightable" issue, doesn't in anyway interfere with the rights trying to be protected by the CLA, but IANAL .. I assume they've explicitly told it not to sign things (perhaps, because they don't want a sniff of their bot agreeing to things on behalf of MSFT).
  - candiddevmike 1y ago
    Are LLM contributions effectively under public domain?
    - ben-schaaf 1y ago
      IANAL. It's my understanding that this hasn't been determined yet. It could be under public domain, under the rights of everyone whose creations were used to train the AI or anywhere in-between. We do know that LLMs will happily reproduce something from their training set and that is a clear copyright violation. So it can't be that everything they produce is public domain.
    - Quarrel 1y ago
      This is my understanding, at least in US law. I can't remember the specific case now, but it has been ruled in the past, that you need human-novelty, and there was a case recently that confirmed this that involved LLMs.
- Bedon292 1y ago
  A comment on one of the threads, when a random person tried to have copilot change something, said that copilot will not respond to anyone without write access to the repo. I would assume that bot doesn't have write access, so copilot just ignores them.
nikolayasdf123 1y ago
that's the future, AI talking to other AI, everywhere, all the time
thallium205 1y ago
Is this the first instance of an AI cyber bullying another AI?

I do love one bot asking another bot to sign a CLA! - https://github.com/dotnet/runtime/pull/115732#issuecomment-2891990223 https://github.com/dotnet/runtime/pull/115732#issuecomment-2...

90s_dev 1y ago

Well?? Did it sign it???

jsheard 1y ago
Not sure if a chatbot can legally sign a contract, we'd better ask ChatGPT for a second opinion.
- gortok 1y ago
  At least currently, to qualify for copyright, there must be a human author. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-appeals-court-rejects-copyrights-ai-generated-art-lacking-human-creator-2025-03-18/ https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-appeals-court-rejects-co... I have no idea how this will ultimately shake out legally, but it would be absolutely wild for Microsoft to not have thought about this potential legal issue.
- tessierashpool9 1y ago
  offer it more money, then it will sign
- TuringNYC 1y ago
  There is some unfortunate history here, though not a perfect analog: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_United_States_foreclosure_crisis#Robo-signing_controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_United_States_foreclosure...
  - deleted 1y ago
    [deleted]
- Hamuko 1y ago
  I would imagine it can't sign it, especially with the options given. >I have sole ownership of intellectual property rights to my Submissions I would assume that the AI cannot have IP ownership considering that an AI cannot have copyright in the US. >I am making Submissions in the course of work for my employer (or my employer has intellectual property rights in my Submissions by contract or applicable law). I have permission from my employer to make Submissions and enter into this Agreement on behalf of my employer. Surely an AI would not be classified as an employee and therefore would not have an employer. Has Microsoft drafted an employment contract with Copilot? And if we consider an AI agent to be an employee, is it protected by the Fair Labor Standards Act? Is it getting paid at least minimum wage?
- b0ner_t0ner 1y ago
  Just need the chatbot to connect to an MCP to call my robotic arm to sign it.
marcosdumay 1y ago
It didn't. It completely ignored the request. (Turns out the AI was programmed to ignore bots. Go figure.)

pm215 1y ago

That's funny, but also interesting that it didn't "sign" it. I would naively have expected that being handed a clear instruction like "reply with the following information" would strongly bias the LLM to reply as requested. I wonder if they've special cased that kind of thing in the prompt; or perhaps my intuition is just wrong here?

Quarrel 1y ago
AI can't, as I understand it, have copyright over anything they do. Nor can it be an entity to sign anything. I assume the "not-copyrightable" issue, doesn't in anyway interfere with the rights trying to be protected by the CLA, but IANAL .. I assume they've explicitly told it not to sign things (perhaps, because they don't want a sniff of their bot agreeing to things on behalf of MSFT).
- candiddevmike 1y ago
  Are LLM contributions effectively under public domain?
  - ben-schaaf 1y ago
    IANAL. It's my understanding that this hasn't been determined yet. It could be under public domain, under the rights of everyone whose creations were used to train the AI or anywhere in-between. We do know that LLMs will happily reproduce something from their training set and that is a clear copyright violation. So it can't be that everything they produce is public domain.
  - Quarrel 1y ago
    This is my understanding, at least in US law. I can't remember the specific case now, but it has been ruled in the past, that you need human-novelty, and there was a case recently that confirmed this that involved LLMs.
Bedon292 1y ago
A comment on one of the threads, when a random person tried to have copilot change something, said that copilot will not respond to anyone without write access to the repo. I would assume that bot doesn't have write access, so copilot just ignores them.

nikolayasdf123 1y ago

that's the future, AI talking to other AI, everywhere, all the time

thallium205 1y ago

Is this the first instance of an AI cyber bullying another AI?