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And over here in NL we're going to be _charged_ when returning power to the grid in 1.5 yr... I'll be running my airco to burn off those kWh's :P
by brnt 1y ago
And over here in NL we're going to be _charged_ when returning power to the grid in 1.5 yr... I'll be running my airco to burn off those kWh's :P
- baq 1y agoThe grid needs batteries and that’s how they make you buy some. They have good reasons - look at Spain. Running aircon to burn the excess is better than feeding an already overloaded grid, too. The second best outcome for them, neatly contained in a single euro amount.
- tralarpa 1y agoWhat should the grid operators do with all that energy that comes in at noon on a beautiful sunny day?
- madaxe_again 1y agoHeat up molten salt, or shipping containers full of sand. It’s a surprisingly high density and cheap way to store an awful lot of energy. Don’t have sand batteries here yet, but they’re on my todo for deep storage of excess energy, which I currently just dump as heat into the air.
- rmu09 1y agoI don't know. Salt (NaCl) is corrosive. Specific heat capacity is not that high (about 1/5th of water per weight). Suppose you have cubic meter of molten salt at 800°C in a dewar, how do you get the heat out again?
- elcritch 1y agoHmmm, run direct carbon capture systems?
- delamon 1y agoPump it to the storage. Building something like https://www.energyvault.com/products/g-vault-gravity-energy-storage https://www.energyvault.com/products/g-vault-gravity-energy-... is impossible for a home owner. But the country scale energy provider can build such thing.
- kleiba 1y agoGreat idea, but that also comes at an additional cost - who would you recommend should pay for that cost?
- Dylan16807 1y agoStorage comes at a cost, but storing cheap/free power offsets even bigger generation costs. So the power company should pay to build storage. There's a point where the grid has so much solar power that we need to start shedding production as a general rule and not just as an intermittent temporary measure, but I don't think we're anywhere near that point.
- cduzz 1y agoTechnically almost all homes have a wonderful energy storage system already -- their hot water heater tank. One can imagine a setup where you've got a hot water tank and a mixing valve that allows you to heat your water up to some very high temperature and then mix that down to "safe" hot water for the house. Have that run in "heat from grid if below this threshold, otherwise conditionally heat with surplus energy if the water's below this temperature"
- elcritch 1y ago> I'll be running my airco to burn off those kWh's :P As an American I welcome you to our national pastime: burning kWhs on aircon! :P
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- davedx 1y agoWe've been on a dynamic contract for the last year (also in NL), it's worked out pretty well (Tibber).
- markvdb 1y agoAlready happening in Flanders for those on dynamic pricing.
- miniwark 1y agoDon't you have energy cooperatives to avoid this in the Netherlands ? According to rescoop.eu i did find hetcooperatie.nl, energiesamen.nu & lochemenergie.org. Even if you are instead in Newfoundland, maybe ask cecooperative.ca if there us a project to create one in your province.