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Magnus Carlsen would get crushed by an engine running on an iPhone 1. Meanwhile the world has access to iPhone 16s. The entire concept is flawed. I'm guessing s

Magnus Carlsen would get crushed by an engine running on an iPhone 1. Meanwhile the world has access to iPhone 16s. The entire concept is flawed. I'm guessing someone made money off it, though.

esseph 1y ago
The proper question might be: Why is this one iPhone stalemating 140k other iPhones in this particular task? iPhone/computer/machine/etc
- unsupp0rted 1y ago
  Better heuristics. Even 1% better heuristics is enough of an edge in a zero-sum game.
analog31 1y ago
I don't know enough about chess, and will take your word for it. What it suggests to me is a deeper question: How do you get 143000 people to all fall in line behind a single machine, or person, making the best decision for them?
- EnPissant 1y ago
  If you had a military-like organization and turned 143000 people into calculators led by one (talented) person or a hierarchy, then yes, they would crush Magnus.
  - ars 1y ago
    No they would not. If you imagine running a computer chess engine on 143,000 humans, it's not even remotely close to the amount of compute you need to win. Humans don't win by calculation the way computers do. When you have multiple humans working together on chess they don't add up to an ultra-smart human. You are simply as smart as the smartest human in your crew, and that's it.
    - EnPissant 1y ago
      You could absolutely form a system to harness the power of that many people. It would not happen spontaneously, but it is possible given enough effort. Calculation and memoirzation plays a huge role in chess.
  - brador 1y ago
    Now I want to see a YouTuber hire 1000s of humans to make a human CPU. Each human can do a single simple task like a redstone block. What would their equivalent CPU clock speed be? Could you play doom on humans?
bad_haircut72 1y ago
Cheating obviously does happen but on the whole chess is kept alive by people who do it for fun. What would be the point of beating Magnus with a computer? Would anyone get satisfaction from that?
- whythre 1y ago
  I mean, with Carlsen facing this sort of aggregate, large number of ‘opponents,’ yeah, I imagine quite a lot of them are cheaters.
- olalonde 1y ago
  Oh, sweet summer child.
Marsymars 1y ago
> Magnus Carlsen would get crushed by an engine running on an iPhone 1. Did a quick sanity check here - this seems about right - Carlsen might be at least competitive with Pocket Fritz 4 at similar hardware performance to the iPhone 1, but that discounts the software improvements chess engines have seen over the past couple decades.

Magnus Carlsen would get crushed by an engine running on an iPhone 1. Meanwhile the world has access to iPhone 16s. The entire concept is flawed. I'm guessing someone made money off it, though.

esseph 1y ago

The proper question might be: Why is this one iPhone stalemating 140k other iPhones in this particular task? iPhone/computer/machine/etc

unsupp0rted 1y ago
Better heuristics. Even 1% better heuristics is enough of an edge in a zero-sum game.

analog31 1y ago

I don't know enough about chess, and will take your word for it. What it suggests to me is a deeper question: How do you get 143000 people to all fall in line behind a single machine, or person, making the best decision for them?

EnPissant 1y ago
If you had a military-like organization and turned 143000 people into calculators led by one (talented) person or a hierarchy, then yes, they would crush Magnus.
- ars 1y ago
  No they would not. If you imagine running a computer chess engine on 143,000 humans, it's not even remotely close to the amount of compute you need to win. Humans don't win by calculation the way computers do. When you have multiple humans working together on chess they don't add up to an ultra-smart human. You are simply as smart as the smartest human in your crew, and that's it.
  - EnPissant 1y ago
    You could absolutely form a system to harness the power of that many people. It would not happen spontaneously, but it is possible given enough effort. Calculation and memoirzation plays a huge role in chess.
- brador 1y ago
  Now I want to see a YouTuber hire 1000s of humans to make a human CPU. Each human can do a single simple task like a redstone block. What would their equivalent CPU clock speed be? Could you play doom on humans?

bad_haircut72 1y ago

Cheating obviously does happen but on the whole chess is kept alive by people who do it for fun. What would be the point of beating Magnus with a computer? Would anyone get satisfaction from that?

whythre 1y ago
I mean, with Carlsen facing this sort of aggregate, large number of ‘opponents,’ yeah, I imagine quite a lot of them are cheaters.
olalonde 1y ago
Oh, sweet summer child.

Marsymars 1y ago

> Magnus Carlsen would get crushed by an engine running on an iPhone 1. Did a quick sanity check here - this seems about right - Carlsen might be at least competitive with Pocket Fritz 4 at similar hardware performance to the iPhone 1, but that discounts the software improvements chess engines have seen over the past couple decades.