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This is technically impressive and I commend the team that brought it to life. It makes me sad, though. I wish we were pushing AI more to automate non-creative

This is technically impressive and I commend the team that brought it to life. It makes me sad, though. I wish we were pushing AI more to automate non-creative work and not burying the creatives among us in a pile of AI generated content.

yieldcrv 1y ago
I’m a creative and I’m really glad that more people can express themselves Just wanted to add representation to that feeling
- lilwobbles 1y ago
  Expressing themselves by generating boilerplate content? Creativity is a conversation with yourself and God. Stripping away the struggle that comes with creativity defeats the entire purpose. Making it easier to make content is good for capital, but no one will ever get fulfillment out of prompting an AI and settling with the result.
  - ivape 1y ago
    Check out all the creatives on /r/screenwriting, half the time they are trying to figure out how to "make connections" just to get a story considered. It's a fucking nightmare out there. Whatever god is providing us with AI is the greatest gift I could imagine to a creative.
    - onemoresoop 1y ago
      AI could be useful if used like any other tool, but not as an all in box where everything is done for you minus the prompt. Im actually worried people will become lazy
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      - drusepth 1y ago
        People will always become lazy with new tools. But not all people. It'll lower the barrier of entry (and therefore the quality floor before people feel comfortable sharing something "they made" if they can deflect with an easy "the AI made this" versus "I put XY0 hours into this"), but it'll also empower people who wouldn't otherwise even try to create new things and, presumably, follow their passion to learn and do more.
        onemoresoop 1y ago
        Im sure not all people will become lazy but im worried about the trend in general.
        ivape 1y ago
        Creativity is an expression. It comes from the heart. Hard work isn't always the greatest vehicle for creativity. We just think it is. I've seen plenty of things that clearly took a lot of execution but fundamentally lack creativity, often becoming an exhibition in technical virtuosity. Here's something you can try to prove it to yourself. Sit down and write a novel. It'll be like squeezing blood out of a rock unless your heart is ready to do it freely. You'll see that if you force yourself through hard work to do it, you'll just end up with something that people will laud as creative due to the execution but it'll lack everything about free-flowing creativity. Good programmers are lazy, so are good creatives, but now I'm just repeating myself. It's a lot easier squeezing blood out of a heart, especially for the lazy.
  - yieldcrv 1y ago
    exactly, creatives and everyone else can always do something fulfilling for themselves just like before AI. They can struggle all they want and continue doing it for no capital. because that process is fulfilling to them.
    - onemoresoop 1y ago
      Yes but how many will sign up for that? Im sure few will continue to do so but creativity will certainly take a big hit.
      - yieldcrv 1y ago
        > Yes but how many will sign up for that? Im sure few will continue to do so but crea It’s not important to me that they do. > Im sure few will continue to do so but creativity will certainly take a big hit. I’ve seen the workflows for AI generated films like https://youtu.be/x6aERZWaarM?si=J2VHYAHLL3og32Ix https://youtu.be/x6aERZWaarM?si=J2VHYAHLL3og32Ix and I find it to be very creative. Its more interesting to me that this person would never have raised capital and tried to direct this, but this is much closer to what they wanted to create. I’m also entertained by it, whether I was judging it for generative AI issues or not.
- StefanBatory 1y ago
  They always could express themselves.
  - yieldcrv 1y ago
    Not close to the way they wanted, and at too much sacrifice to the other things they were interested in or supported their family with
    - emkoemko 1y ago
      so they where never interested in the first place... but now they can call them self's artists after prompting a AI to make a image....
      - yieldcrv 1y ago
        the level of discipline needed in a trade has gone down in almost every trade, including all mediums of art, for centuries its not really anyone's problem, and generally limited to the people that made way too much of their identity to be based on a single field, that they feel they have to gatekeep it its great that people can express themselves closer to their vision now
toenail 1y ago
Do you find it sad that people can use recordings, and don't have to hire musicians any more?
- hollowturtle 1y ago
  Recordings of who? Not only sad but a disaster, I'm sorry but anyone that ever tried to play an instrument seriously knows how much human touch/imperfections come into play, otherwise you're just an anonymous guy playing in a cover band(like the ai will do)
  - onemoresoop 1y ago
    A tsunami of effortless content is upon us and that will change many things including tastes, probably for the worse. People not having to learn instruments because same can be done with a prompt is a tragic loss for humanity, not because human work is better but because of the lost experience and joy of learning, connection with the self and others and so many other things.
    - jryle70 1y ago
      > because of the lost experience and joy of learning, connection with the self and others and so many other things. Nothing prevents human from continue doing just that, precisely because it brings joy and satisfaction. Painting, photography classes are still popular, if not more, in the age of digital photography.
- lm28469 1y ago
  That's step 1, we're at step 100, it looks like that now: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/rtxJ0t8Cf6g https://www.youtube.com/shorts/rtxJ0t8Cf6g https://www.youtube.com/shorts/wjaSPHRNfjQ https://www.youtube.com/shorts/wjaSPHRNfjQ
ehsankia 1y ago
> burying the creatives among us in a pile of AI generated content. Isn't the creativity in what you put in the prompt? Isn't spending hundreds of hours manually creating and rigging models based on existing sketch the non-creative work that is being automated here?
- hollowturtle 1y ago
  How does a prompt describe creativity? It's a vision so far off that it's so frustrating because greater creativity came from limited tools, greater creativity came from imperfections, a different point of view, love, a slightly off touch of a painter or a guitar player, the wood of the instrument and the humidity affecting. I can go on and on, prompts are a reduction to the minimum term of everything you'd want to describe, no matter how much you can express via a prompt
  - ahmedfromtunis 1y ago
    So deliberately writing a prompt that meticulously describes how a generated photo would look like isn't creative, but pushing a button for a machine to take the photo for you is??!! If anything, it's the way around! Of course that's not what I believe, but let's not limit the definition of what creativity based on historical limitations. Let's see what the new generation of artists and creators will use this new capability to mesmerize us!
    - hollowturtle 1y ago
      To answer your first question: carpe diem! And historical limitations? Go visit the Sistine Chapel, unmatched still today
    - _DeadFred_ 1y ago
      Your meticulous prompt is using the work of thousands of experts, and generating a mashup of what they did/their work/their commitment/their livelihood. Their placement of books. Their aesthetic. The collection of cool things to put into a scene to make it interesting. The lighting. Not yours. Not from you/not from the AI. None of it is yours/you/new/from the AI. It's ALL based underneath on someone else's work, someone else's life, someone else's heart and soul, and you are just taking it and saying 'look what I made'. The equivalent of a 4 year old being potty trained saying 'look I made a poop'. We celebrate it as a first step, not as the friggen end goal. The end goal is you making something uniquely you, based on your life experience, not on Bob the prop guys and Betty the set designer whose work/style you stole and didn't even have the decency to reference/thank. And your prompt won't ever change dramatically, because there isn't going to be much new truly creative seedcorn for AI to digest. Entertainment will literally go into limbo/Groundhog Day, just the same generative, derivative things/asthetics from the same AI dataset.
ahmedfromtunis 1y ago
The amount of gatekeeping I see when this topic is brought is outstanding! Why can't people be happy that more individuals would be soon able to create freely in a more accessible way? Personally I can't wait to see the new creative doors ai will open for us!
- StefanBatory 1y ago
  Creative? There's nothing creative in it.
  - ahmedfromtunis 1y ago
    It's funny that you're defending creativity by being close-minded about a creative new way to explore it. You're being your judgment of an entire new medium based on a few early examples. It's as if you're downplaying photography just based on the few first blurry, dark clichés produced. Let's keep our minds open to new forms of creativity if we really care about it so much.
  - kleiba 1y ago
    What grandparent means is that the AI enables human creativity in a new way.
    - onemoresoop 1y ago
      It does but so does it encourage efortlessness and haste. It definitely is something new, it remains to be see whether creatives bring it to new heigts as with other mediums. I remain a bit skeptical but am open to it. One thing is certain, a tsunami of content is upon us.
    - rxtexit 1y ago
      "Rap isn't even music, they aren't even singing!" Rap is really the best example of how stupid these discussions are. The language models are amazing at rhyming so by the logic then anyone can become a rapper and that is going to put current rappers out of business. Only someone who has never tried to rap could possibly believe this. Same thing with images, same thing with music, same thing with literally everything involving human creativity.
sarks_nz 1y ago
Distribution of art (particularly digital) is a recent phenomenon. Prior to that, art in human history was one-off. Are we just going back to that time? Similarly with music, prior to recording tech, live performance was where it was at. You could look at the digital era as a weird blip in art history.
woah 1y ago
It makes me sad that the US and western Europe which have been the most flexible and forward-thinking societies in the world for generations have now memed themselves into fretting and hand-wringing about technical advances that are really awesome. And for what? The belief that illustration and filmmaking which have always been hobbies for the vast majority of participants should be some kind of jobs program?
- dmonitor 1y ago
  People aren't looking forward to companies playing the "how much sawdust can you put in a rice crispy before people notice the difference" experiment on the entertainment industry. The quality of acting, scripting, lighting, and animation in the film/television industry already feels second rate to stuff being made before 2020. The cost cutting and gutting of cultural products is becoming ridiculous, and this technology will only be an accelerant.
  - woah 1y ago
    If you don't like a movie, then don't watch it.
swalsh 1y ago
I think the non-creative work is coming... but it's harder, needs more accuracy, and just generally takes more effort. But it's 100% coming. AI today can one shot with about 80% perfection. But for use cases that need to be higher than that, that last 20% is grueling to gain. It's like taking a jet across the country, and then getting jammed in traffic while you're taking a taxi to your hotel.
- dyauspitr 1y ago
  There’s limited training data for physical movements. Once there is enough of that the non creative space will start getting their own LLMs.
- TechDebtDevin 1y ago
  80% on todo apps
cadamsdotcom 1y ago
Plenty of non-creative work can be automated. Have a look at the workflow and agent design patterns in this video by youtuber Nate Herk when he talks about planning the architecture: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj9yzBp14EM https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj9yzBp14EM There’s less talk about automating non-creative work because it’s not flashy. But I can promise it’s a ton of fun, and you can co-design these automations with an LLM.
ivape 1y ago
Dude. Making a movie is not accessible to most people and it's EVERYONES dream. This is not even there yet, but I have a few movies I need to make and I will never get a cast together and go do it before I die. If some creatives need to take a backseat so a million more creatives can get a chance, then so be it.
- onemoresoop 1y ago
  Yeah, there will be so many AI generated videos that many will go unwatched. Not sure where this is heading but it's certainly an interesting future.
  - lamp_book 1y ago
    Nobody will watch anyone's "creations". The TV or whatever device watch on will observe what you and everyone else engage with and how you interact with it and create content for you on the fly, just like Instagram and TikTok's feeds do now. AI creatives can enjoy the brief blip in time where they might get someone else to watch what they've created before their skills become obsolete in an exponentially faster rate just like everyone else's.
    - grugagag 1y ago
      Sounds terrifying to me.
    - jackphilson 1y ago
      Then everyone can just get their own personal movies and infinite content stream. Honestly people would probably like that given how atomized society has become.
dktp 1y ago
For better or worse, a big chunk (if not most) of the AI development probably does go into non-creative work like matching ads against users and ranking search results It's just not what gets the exciting headlines and showcases
BosunoB 1y ago
Robotics will come in the next few years. If you believe the AI2027 guys, though, the majority of work will be automated in the next 10 years, which seems more and more plausible to me every day.
- hooverd 1y ago
  Are you independently wealthy enough to benefit from that or someone who should invest in suicide pills for themselves and their family if that day comes?
  - GenshoTikamura 1y ago
    Some people haven't overcome their childhood desire to die or suffer so as to make the parents regret their decision not to buy that candy or take the puppy home. They imagine dismal future as a glorified way to suffer. Talk about cyberpunk - there's that sweet alluring promise to spend a whole life eating instant ramen sitting next to a window with a blinking neon sign and endless rain behind it, coding routinely to a lofi soundtrack, or lurking lonesomely about the techno-slum neighbourhood hiding their faces from CCTV behind masks
    - hooverd 1y ago
      You know, I'd really prefer not to, but I have eyes and object permanence. Maybe we'll get the Iain Banks Culture future!
  - BeFlatXIII 1y ago
    Why invest in weaksauce suicide pills when you could instead invest in nitrogen compounds and suicide bomb the tallest nearby building? Just because you've already lost doesn't mean they get to win, let alone survive.
    - hooverd 1y ago
      Maybe we'll get the Iain Banks Culture future!
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ugh123 1y ago
This kind of tech will open up filmmaking to a much wider base of creative talent.
owlboy 1y ago
Data for the non creative work isn’t as easy to, uh, “obtain” from others without their consent.
skepticATX 1y ago
The fact that so many feel the same way about this technology (I do too!) is an indictment of humanity, not the technology itself. We _could_ use this to empower humans, but many of us instinctively know that it will instead be used to crush the human spirit. The end result of this isn’t going to be an expansion of creative ability, it’s going to be the destruction of creative jobs and the capture of these creative mediums by a few large companies.
- weatherlite 1y ago
  > The end result of this isn’t going to be an expansion of creative ability, it’s going to be the destruction of creative jobs and the capture of these creative mediums by a few large companies. I agree , but that's the negative. The positive will be that almost any service you can imagine (medical diagnosis, tax preparation, higher education) will come down to zero, and with a lag of perhaps a decade or two it will meet us in the physical world with robo-technicians, surgeons and plumbers. The cost of building a new house or railway will plummet to the cost of the material and the land, and will be finished in 1/10 of the time it takes today. The main problem to me is that there's a lag between the negatives and the positives. We're starting out with the negatives and the benefits may take a decade or two to reach us all equally.
  - kilpikaarna 1y ago
    > The positive will be that almost any service you can imagine (medical diagnosis, tax preparation, higher education) will come down to zero Why would you want massive amounts more of those things? In fact I might even argue that medicine, taxation and education are a net negative on society already. And that to the extent that there seems to be scarcity, it's mainly a distribution problem having to do with entrenched interests and bureaucracy. > The cost of building a new house or railway will plummet to the cost of the material and the land That's is the actual scarcity tho.
    - weatherlite 1y ago
      > Why would you want massive amounts more of those things? In fact I might even argue that medicine, taxation and education are a net negative on society already. And that to the extent that there seems to be scarcity, it's mainly a distribution problem having to do with entrenched interests and bureaucracy. I'm not sure what you mean. In my country getting a specialist to take a look at you can take weeks, the scarcity is that there's not enough doctors. For sure many people get delayed and suboptimal diagnosis (even if you finally get to see the specialist, he may have 10 mintues for you and 50 other patients to see that day). A.I can simply solve this. > The cost of building a new house or railway will plummet to the cost of the material and the land >> That's is the actual scarcity tho Not necessarily, the labor costs a tremendous amount, and also it might be that we don't need to cram tens of millions of people around cities anymore if most work is automated, we can start spreading out (again, this will take decades and I'm not denying we have pressing problems in the immediate future).
mindwok 1y ago
It's definitely coming. Creative work is first because there's zero constraints on it. Doing non-creative work, you're bound to hit a constraint - real world or otherwise - immediately, and AI is only just starting to navigate that.
seydor 1y ago
What is non-creative work? I think the term reeks of elitism. Every job is creative, even picking up garbage can become an art when one puts effort in it. There is a more sensical distinction between work that is informational in nature, and work that is physical and requires heavy tools in hard-to-reach places. That's hard to do for big tech, because making tests with heavy machinery is hard and time consuming
- _xhhf 1y ago
  > even picking up garbage can become an art when one puts effort in it. good lord. talk about pedantic.
golol 1y ago
Multimodal LLMs are currently the natural research step towards AGI robots that can do mundane non-creative work. I believe this is just the reality of the situation. If you can generate a video of a robot doing the dishes then your model understands the physical world quite well. That should be useful for robot control.

yieldcrv 1y ago

I’m a creative and I’m really glad that more people can express themselves Just wanted to add representation to that feeling

lilwobbles 1y ago
Expressing themselves by generating boilerplate content? Creativity is a conversation with yourself and God. Stripping away the struggle that comes with creativity defeats the entire purpose. Making it easier to make content is good for capital, but no one will ever get fulfillment out of prompting an AI and settling with the result.
- ivape 1y ago
  Check out all the creatives on /r/screenwriting, half the time they are trying to figure out how to "make connections" just to get a story considered. It's a fucking nightmare out there. Whatever god is providing us with AI is the greatest gift I could imagine to a creative.
  - onemoresoop 1y ago
    AI could be useful if used like any other tool, but not as an all in box where everything is done for you minus the prompt. Im actually worried people will become lazy
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    - drusepth 1y ago
      People will always become lazy with new tools. But not all people. It'll lower the barrier of entry (and therefore the quality floor before people feel comfortable sharing something "they made" if they can deflect with an easy "the AI made this" versus "I put XY0 hours into this"), but it'll also empower people who wouldn't otherwise even try to create new things and, presumably, follow their passion to learn and do more.
      - onemoresoop 1y ago
        Im sure not all people will become lazy but im worried about the trend in general.
        ivape 1y ago
        Creativity is an expression. It comes from the heart. Hard work isn't always the greatest vehicle for creativity. We just think it is. I've seen plenty of things that clearly took a lot of execution but fundamentally lack creativity, often becoming an exhibition in technical virtuosity. Here's something you can try to prove it to yourself. Sit down and write a novel. It'll be like squeezing blood out of a rock unless your heart is ready to do it freely. You'll see that if you force yourself through hard work to do it, you'll just end up with something that people will laud as creative due to the execution but it'll lack everything about free-flowing creativity. Good programmers are lazy, so are good creatives, but now I'm just repeating myself. It's a lot easier squeezing blood out of a heart, especially for the lazy.
- yieldcrv 1y ago
  exactly, creatives and everyone else can always do something fulfilling for themselves just like before AI. They can struggle all they want and continue doing it for no capital. because that process is fulfilling to them.
  - onemoresoop 1y ago
    Yes but how many will sign up for that? Im sure few will continue to do so but creativity will certainly take a big hit.
    - yieldcrv 1y ago
      > Yes but how many will sign up for that? Im sure few will continue to do so but crea It’s not important to me that they do. > Im sure few will continue to do so but creativity will certainly take a big hit. I’ve seen the workflows for AI generated films like https://youtu.be/x6aERZWaarM?si=J2VHYAHLL3og32Ix https://youtu.be/x6aERZWaarM?si=J2VHYAHLL3og32Ix and I find it to be very creative. Its more interesting to me that this person would never have raised capital and tried to direct this, but this is much closer to what they wanted to create. I’m also entertained by it, whether I was judging it for generative AI issues or not.
StefanBatory 1y ago
They always could express themselves.
- yieldcrv 1y ago
  Not close to the way they wanted, and at too much sacrifice to the other things they were interested in or supported their family with
  - emkoemko 1y ago
    so they where never interested in the first place... but now they can call them self's artists after prompting a AI to make a image....
    - yieldcrv 1y ago
      the level of discipline needed in a trade has gone down in almost every trade, including all mediums of art, for centuries its not really anyone's problem, and generally limited to the people that made way too much of their identity to be based on a single field, that they feel they have to gatekeep it its great that people can express themselves closer to their vision now

toenail 1y ago

Do you find it sad that people can use recordings, and don't have to hire musicians any more?

hollowturtle 1y ago
Recordings of who? Not only sad but a disaster, I'm sorry but anyone that ever tried to play an instrument seriously knows how much human touch/imperfections come into play, otherwise you're just an anonymous guy playing in a cover band(like the ai will do)
- onemoresoop 1y ago
  A tsunami of effortless content is upon us and that will change many things including tastes, probably for the worse. People not having to learn instruments because same can be done with a prompt is a tragic loss for humanity, not because human work is better but because of the lost experience and joy of learning, connection with the self and others and so many other things.
  - jryle70 1y ago
    > because of the lost experience and joy of learning, connection with the self and others and so many other things. Nothing prevents human from continue doing just that, precisely because it brings joy and satisfaction. Painting, photography classes are still popular, if not more, in the age of digital photography.
lm28469 1y ago
That's step 1, we're at step 100, it looks like that now: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/rtxJ0t8Cf6g https://www.youtube.com/shorts/rtxJ0t8Cf6g https://www.youtube.com/shorts/wjaSPHRNfjQ https://www.youtube.com/shorts/wjaSPHRNfjQ

ehsankia 1y ago

> burying the creatives among us in a pile of AI generated content. Isn't the creativity in what you put in the prompt? Isn't spending hundreds of hours manually creating and rigging models based on existing sketch the non-creative work that is being automated here?

hollowturtle 1y ago
How does a prompt describe creativity? It's a vision so far off that it's so frustrating because greater creativity came from limited tools, greater creativity came from imperfections, a different point of view, love, a slightly off touch of a painter or a guitar player, the wood of the instrument and the humidity affecting. I can go on and on, prompts are a reduction to the minimum term of everything you'd want to describe, no matter how much you can express via a prompt
- ahmedfromtunis 1y ago
  So deliberately writing a prompt that meticulously describes how a generated photo would look like isn't creative, but pushing a button for a machine to take the photo for you is??!! If anything, it's the way around! Of course that's not what I believe, but let's not limit the definition of what creativity based on historical limitations. Let's see what the new generation of artists and creators will use this new capability to mesmerize us!
  - hollowturtle 1y ago
    To answer your first question: carpe diem! And historical limitations? Go visit the Sistine Chapel, unmatched still today
  - _DeadFred_ 1y ago
    Your meticulous prompt is using the work of thousands of experts, and generating a mashup of what they did/their work/their commitment/their livelihood. Their placement of books. Their aesthetic. The collection of cool things to put into a scene to make it interesting. The lighting. Not yours. Not from you/not from the AI. None of it is yours/you/new/from the AI. It's ALL based underneath on someone else's work, someone else's life, someone else's heart and soul, and you are just taking it and saying 'look what I made'. The equivalent of a 4 year old being potty trained saying 'look I made a poop'. We celebrate it as a first step, not as the friggen end goal. The end goal is you making something uniquely you, based on your life experience, not on Bob the prop guys and Betty the set designer whose work/style you stole and didn't even have the decency to reference/thank. And your prompt won't ever change dramatically, because there isn't going to be much new truly creative seedcorn for AI to digest. Entertainment will literally go into limbo/Groundhog Day, just the same generative, derivative things/asthetics from the same AI dataset.

ahmedfromtunis 1y ago

The amount of gatekeeping I see when this topic is brought is outstanding! Why can't people be happy that more individuals would be soon able to create freely in a more accessible way? Personally I can't wait to see the new creative doors ai will open for us!

StefanBatory 1y ago
Creative? There's nothing creative in it.
- ahmedfromtunis 1y ago
  It's funny that you're defending creativity by being close-minded about a creative new way to explore it. You're being your judgment of an entire new medium based on a few early examples. It's as if you're downplaying photography just based on the few first blurry, dark clichés produced. Let's keep our minds open to new forms of creativity if we really care about it so much.
- kleiba 1y ago
  What grandparent means is that the AI enables human creativity in a new way.
  - onemoresoop 1y ago
    It does but so does it encourage efortlessness and haste. It definitely is something new, it remains to be see whether creatives bring it to new heigts as with other mediums. I remain a bit skeptical but am open to it. One thing is certain, a tsunami of content is upon us.
  - rxtexit 1y ago
    "Rap isn't even music, they aren't even singing!" Rap is really the best example of how stupid these discussions are. The language models are amazing at rhyming so by the logic then anyone can become a rapper and that is going to put current rappers out of business. Only someone who has never tried to rap could possibly believe this. Same thing with images, same thing with music, same thing with literally everything involving human creativity.

sarks_nz 1y ago

Distribution of art (particularly digital) is a recent phenomenon. Prior to that, art in human history was one-off. Are we just going back to that time? Similarly with music, prior to recording tech, live performance was where it was at. You could look at the digital era as a weird blip in art history.

woah 1y ago

It makes me sad that the US and western Europe which have been the most flexible and forward-thinking societies in the world for generations have now memed themselves into fretting and hand-wringing about technical advances that are really awesome. And for what? The belief that illustration and filmmaking which have always been hobbies for the vast majority of participants should be some kind of jobs program?

dmonitor 1y ago
People aren't looking forward to companies playing the "how much sawdust can you put in a rice crispy before people notice the difference" experiment on the entertainment industry. The quality of acting, scripting, lighting, and animation in the film/television industry already feels second rate to stuff being made before 2020. The cost cutting and gutting of cultural products is becoming ridiculous, and this technology will only be an accelerant.
- woah 1y ago
  If you don't like a movie, then don't watch it.

swalsh 1y ago

I think the non-creative work is coming... but it's harder, needs more accuracy, and just generally takes more effort. But it's 100% coming. AI today can one shot with about 80% perfection. But for use cases that need to be higher than that, that last 20% is grueling to gain. It's like taking a jet across the country, and then getting jammed in traffic while you're taking a taxi to your hotel.

dyauspitr 1y ago
There’s limited training data for physical movements. Once there is enough of that the non creative space will start getting their own LLMs.
TechDebtDevin 1y ago
80% on todo apps

cadamsdotcom 1y ago

Plenty of non-creative work can be automated. Have a look at the workflow and agent design patterns in this video by youtuber Nate Herk when he talks about planning the architecture: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj9yzBp14EM https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj9yzBp14EM There’s less talk about automating non-creative work because it’s not flashy. But I can promise it’s a ton of fun, and you can co-design these automations with an LLM.

ivape 1y ago

Dude. Making a movie is not accessible to most people and it's EVERYONES dream. This is not even there yet, but I have a few movies I need to make and I will never get a cast together and go do it before I die. If some creatives need to take a backseat so a million more creatives can get a chance, then so be it.

onemoresoop 1y ago
Yeah, there will be so many AI generated videos that many will go unwatched. Not sure where this is heading but it's certainly an interesting future.
- lamp_book 1y ago
  Nobody will watch anyone's "creations". The TV or whatever device watch on will observe what you and everyone else engage with and how you interact with it and create content for you on the fly, just like Instagram and TikTok's feeds do now. AI creatives can enjoy the brief blip in time where they might get someone else to watch what they've created before their skills become obsolete in an exponentially faster rate just like everyone else's.
  - grugagag 1y ago
    Sounds terrifying to me.
  - jackphilson 1y ago
    Then everyone can just get their own personal movies and infinite content stream. Honestly people would probably like that given how atomized society has become.

dktp 1y ago

For better or worse, a big chunk (if not most) of the AI development probably does go into non-creative work like matching ads against users and ranking search results It's just not what gets the exciting headlines and showcases

BosunoB 1y ago

Robotics will come in the next few years. If you believe the AI2027 guys, though, the majority of work will be automated in the next 10 years, which seems more and more plausible to me every day.

hooverd 1y ago
Are you independently wealthy enough to benefit from that or someone who should invest in suicide pills for themselves and their family if that day comes?
- GenshoTikamura 1y ago
  Some people haven't overcome their childhood desire to die or suffer so as to make the parents regret their decision not to buy that candy or take the puppy home. They imagine dismal future as a glorified way to suffer. Talk about cyberpunk - there's that sweet alluring promise to spend a whole life eating instant ramen sitting next to a window with a blinking neon sign and endless rain behind it, coding routinely to a lofi soundtrack, or lurking lonesomely about the techno-slum neighbourhood hiding their faces from CCTV behind masks
  - hooverd 1y ago
    You know, I'd really prefer not to, but I have eyes and object permanence. Maybe we'll get the Iain Banks Culture future!
- BeFlatXIII 1y ago
  Why invest in weaksauce suicide pills when you could instead invest in nitrogen compounds and suicide bomb the tallest nearby building? Just because you've already lost doesn't mean they get to win, let alone survive.
  - hooverd 1y ago
    Maybe we'll get the Iain Banks Culture future!

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ugh123 1y ago

This kind of tech will open up filmmaking to a much wider base of creative talent.

owlboy 1y ago

Data for the non creative work isn’t as easy to, uh, “obtain” from others without their consent.

skepticATX 1y ago

The fact that so many feel the same way about this technology (I do too!) is an indictment of humanity, not the technology itself. We _could_ use this to empower humans, but many of us instinctively know that it will instead be used to crush the human spirit. The end result of this isn’t going to be an expansion of creative ability, it’s going to be the destruction of creative jobs and the capture of these creative mediums by a few large companies.

weatherlite 1y ago
> The end result of this isn’t going to be an expansion of creative ability, it’s going to be the destruction of creative jobs and the capture of these creative mediums by a few large companies. I agree , but that's the negative. The positive will be that almost any service you can imagine (medical diagnosis, tax preparation, higher education) will come down to zero, and with a lag of perhaps a decade or two it will meet us in the physical world with robo-technicians, surgeons and plumbers. The cost of building a new house or railway will plummet to the cost of the material and the land, and will be finished in 1/10 of the time it takes today. The main problem to me is that there's a lag between the negatives and the positives. We're starting out with the negatives and the benefits may take a decade or two to reach us all equally.
- kilpikaarna 1y ago
  > The positive will be that almost any service you can imagine (medical diagnosis, tax preparation, higher education) will come down to zero Why would you want massive amounts more of those things? In fact I might even argue that medicine, taxation and education are a net negative on society already. And that to the extent that there seems to be scarcity, it's mainly a distribution problem having to do with entrenched interests and bureaucracy. > The cost of building a new house or railway will plummet to the cost of the material and the land That's is the actual scarcity tho.
  - weatherlite 1y ago
    > Why would you want massive amounts more of those things? In fact I might even argue that medicine, taxation and education are a net negative on society already. And that to the extent that there seems to be scarcity, it's mainly a distribution problem having to do with entrenched interests and bureaucracy. I'm not sure what you mean. In my country getting a specialist to take a look at you can take weeks, the scarcity is that there's not enough doctors. For sure many people get delayed and suboptimal diagnosis (even if you finally get to see the specialist, he may have 10 mintues for you and 50 other patients to see that day). A.I can simply solve this. > The cost of building a new house or railway will plummet to the cost of the material and the land >> That's is the actual scarcity tho Not necessarily, the labor costs a tremendous amount, and also it might be that we don't need to cram tens of millions of people around cities anymore if most work is automated, we can start spreading out (again, this will take decades and I'm not denying we have pressing problems in the immediate future).

mindwok 1y ago

It's definitely coming. Creative work is first because there's zero constraints on it. Doing non-creative work, you're bound to hit a constraint - real world or otherwise - immediately, and AI is only just starting to navigate that.

seydor 1y ago

What is non-creative work? I think the term reeks of elitism. Every job is creative, even picking up garbage can become an art when one puts effort in it. There is a more sensical distinction between work that is informational in nature, and work that is physical and requires heavy tools in hard-to-reach places. That's hard to do for big tech, because making tests with heavy machinery is hard and time consuming

_xhhf 1y ago
> even picking up garbage can become an art when one puts effort in it. good lord. talk about pedantic.

golol 1y ago

Multimodal LLMs are currently the natural research step towards AGI robots that can do mundane non-creative work. I believe this is just the reality of the situation. If you can generate a video of a robot doing the dishes then your model understands the physical world quite well. That should be useful for robot control.