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Not a fan of the way the headline is written The gun hasn't been proven to be his. It could've very easily been planted when the police confiscated his bag.

fennecbutt 1y ago
You're right especially since they sprinkle "allegedly" throughout the article to cover their asses already. Whilst I agree with the issues he was concerned about, I do not support his supposed actions but he should be treated fairly, innocent until proven guilty as we all have the right to. However, having been on juries myself (in the UK), I know for sure that the justice system is deeply flawed and juries are heavily biased and bully each other into a result. The white woman is still good, the black man is still bad. Even if they don't say it out loud.
- cosmicgadget 1y ago
  It is almost like the legal system isn't the arbiter of objective fact (which is what journalists endeavor to report).
  - ty6853 1y ago
    Yes but if your facts are found to be wrong regarding elements of a crime you could lose everything and spend the rest of your life in an impossible to crawl out of financial hole (see Alex Jones or Ammon Bundy). Therefore when discussing facts regarding a crime it is best to be vague rather than state it objectively.
    - cosmicgadget 1y ago
      Seems like it's a reason to verify facts and qualify them when you can't. Luckily for Jones and Bundy, any misreported information was immaterial to their guilt/liability.
      - ty6853 1y ago
        I think that was the point of this particular thread, that we don't appear to have any real confidence wired.com could verify this was Luigi's gun. >any misreported information was immaterial to their guilt/liability. In both cases they lost everything because it was found they misreported the facts of a crime or alleged crimes.
        cosmicgadget 1y ago
        "Misreported" is certainly one way to phrase it.
cosmicgadget 1y ago
I don't like the direction headlines have gone in recent years but this one isn't horrible. That is, the headline doesn't make any assertions about the (alleged) murder, simply that he owned a ghost gun.
conartist6 1y ago
The article proved it was his gun (beyond my personal sense of reasonable doubt) by showing that he had practiced firing that specific weapon and was used to unique quirks that only that specific weapon would have (needing to tap the slide between shots) I guess this only proves that the weapon is real, but thankfully my opinion isn't worth shit in a court of law.
- antonymoose 1y ago
  There’s nothing special about clearing a failure-to-eject or a failure-to-feed, these are incredibly standard things to know and practice on a handgun. You could hand a non-noob shooter any magazine bed semi-automatic handgun and get similar behavior.
- dmonitor 1y ago
  this article doesn't attempt prove that luigi is the person who shot the gun, that he printed the gun, or that it was found in his backpack. just that the person in the video shot a 3D printed gun similar to the one police are alleging was in luigi's backpack.

fennecbutt 1y ago

You're right especially since they sprinkle "allegedly" throughout the article to cover their asses already. Whilst I agree with the issues he was concerned about, I do not support his supposed actions but he should be treated fairly, innocent until proven guilty as we all have the right to. However, having been on juries myself (in the UK), I know for sure that the justice system is deeply flawed and juries are heavily biased and bully each other into a result. The white woman is still good, the black man is still bad. Even if they don't say it out loud.

cosmicgadget 1y ago
It is almost like the legal system isn't the arbiter of objective fact (which is what journalists endeavor to report).
- ty6853 1y ago
  Yes but if your facts are found to be wrong regarding elements of a crime you could lose everything and spend the rest of your life in an impossible to crawl out of financial hole (see Alex Jones or Ammon Bundy). Therefore when discussing facts regarding a crime it is best to be vague rather than state it objectively.
  - cosmicgadget 1y ago
    Seems like it's a reason to verify facts and qualify them when you can't. Luckily for Jones and Bundy, any misreported information was immaterial to their guilt/liability.
    - ty6853 1y ago
      I think that was the point of this particular thread, that we don't appear to have any real confidence wired.com could verify this was Luigi's gun. >any misreported information was immaterial to their guilt/liability. In both cases they lost everything because it was found they misreported the facts of a crime or alleged crimes.
      - cosmicgadget 1y ago
        "Misreported" is certainly one way to phrase it.

cosmicgadget 1y ago

I don't like the direction headlines have gone in recent years but this one isn't horrible. That is, the headline doesn't make any assertions about the (alleged) murder, simply that he owned a ghost gun.

conartist6 1y ago

The article proved it was his gun (beyond my personal sense of reasonable doubt) by showing that he had practiced firing that specific weapon and was used to unique quirks that only that specific weapon would have (needing to tap the slide between shots) I guess this only proves that the weapon is real, but thankfully my opinion isn't worth shit in a court of law.

antonymoose 1y ago
There’s nothing special about clearing a failure-to-eject or a failure-to-feed, these are incredibly standard things to know and practice on a handgun. You could hand a non-noob shooter any magazine bed semi-automatic handgun and get similar behavior.
dmonitor 1y ago
this article doesn't attempt prove that luigi is the person who shot the gun, that he printed the gun, or that it was found in his backpack. just that the person in the video shot a 3D printed gun similar to the one police are alleging was in luigi's backpack.