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Real question is whether this is just symbolic or if the French state will actually redirect procurement pipelines + vendor mandates around these principles. i'

Real question is whether this is just symbolic or if the French state will actually redirect procurement pipelines + vendor mandates around these principles. i'd be more impressed if this came bundled with policy teeth, e.g. requiring all software vendors to deliver open-by-default interfaces or pushing funding toward open infra maintenance. Otherwise it's hardly much more than a manifesto

fdefitte 1y ago
I think it's more a guideline principle for public software, for exemple apps that are used by citizens to declare taxes, renews IDs...
RandomWorker 1y ago
It will take time but yes. There are already numerous case studies. Libre office is already running on more than 500k gov computers. Anecdotical story, as a researcher I worked with a few French PhD students and they tend to send me documents Libre documents and spreadsheets.
- jimbob45 1y ago
  Oh then it’s dead. LibreOffice never Just Works™. Ideological changes like this only work if they’re painless for the hoi polloi.
  - resource_waste 1y ago
    LibreOffice UI is so awful I'm 90% convinced there is a Microsoft plant that actively disrupts progress. I don't lurk the github, so I'm just assuming there are a few accounts that disagree with UI improvements just to kill time and fake debate. But yeah that UI is just awful. Further, you mention any UI issue on the subreddit and you get banned. Yeah... Really a shame, Fedora + Google's Office Suite has been a near complete replacement for me. Although Sheets could be improved a bit.
    - knocte 1y ago
      Talk is cheap, did you create any PRs for the suggested changes?
      - IMTDb 1y ago
        This is the GH for the official LibreOffice project: https://github.com/LibreOffice https://github.com/LibreOffice Notice how they say “No PR” on every single repo ? So for sure no PR was open. Putting a bit more energy, you are redirected to a whole other system which I have never seen anywhere else (and in this case; unique doesn’t mean good). After 5 minutes of trying to navigate what is probably the least intuitive software forge I ever had the displeasure to witness, you understand that clearly these guys live in a different UI/UX bubble than the rest of us.
        hamandcheese 1y ago
        Seems like they use gerrit. A lot of larger projects use gerrit for their code review. It is different, yes, but many prefer it over GitHub's "pull request" paradigm which really sucks for high velocity contributors.
      - throw10920 1y ago
        This is bad faith. You are not obligated to contribute any sort of code to point out problems in an open source project. When I go to a restaurant and order a steak, and it arrives and tastes awful, the waiter does not have the right to say to me "if you don't like it, cook it yourself". The chef does not have the right to say to me "tell me exactly what I did wrong, since you're claiming you're an expert on steaks". No. Anyone can complain about a thing, and the fact that they haven't tried to fix the code themselves is utterly irrelevant.
        gbear605 1y ago
        The difference is that at a restaurant you’re paying for it. If you show up at a soup kitchen and complain that it wasn’t seasoned just right, that’s fully on you.

fdefitte 1y ago

I think it's more a guideline principle for public software, for exemple apps that are used by citizens to declare taxes, renews IDs...

RandomWorker 1y ago

It will take time but yes. There are already numerous case studies. Libre office is already running on more than 500k gov computers. Anecdotical story, as a researcher I worked with a few French PhD students and they tend to send me documents Libre documents and spreadsheets.

jimbob45 1y ago
Oh then it’s dead. LibreOffice never Just Works™. Ideological changes like this only work if they’re painless for the hoi polloi.
- resource_waste 1y ago
  LibreOffice UI is so awful I'm 90% convinced there is a Microsoft plant that actively disrupts progress. I don't lurk the github, so I'm just assuming there are a few accounts that disagree with UI improvements just to kill time and fake debate. But yeah that UI is just awful. Further, you mention any UI issue on the subreddit and you get banned. Yeah... Really a shame, Fedora + Google's Office Suite has been a near complete replacement for me. Although Sheets could be improved a bit.
  - knocte 1y ago
    Talk is cheap, did you create any PRs for the suggested changes?
    - IMTDb 1y ago
      This is the GH for the official LibreOffice project: https://github.com/LibreOffice https://github.com/LibreOffice Notice how they say “No PR” on every single repo ? So for sure no PR was open. Putting a bit more energy, you are redirected to a whole other system which I have never seen anywhere else (and in this case; unique doesn’t mean good). After 5 minutes of trying to navigate what is probably the least intuitive software forge I ever had the displeasure to witness, you understand that clearly these guys live in a different UI/UX bubble than the rest of us.
      - hamandcheese 1y ago
        Seems like they use gerrit. A lot of larger projects use gerrit for their code review. It is different, yes, but many prefer it over GitHub's "pull request" paradigm which really sucks for high velocity contributors.
    - throw10920 1y ago
      This is bad faith. You are not obligated to contribute any sort of code to point out problems in an open source project. When I go to a restaurant and order a steak, and it arrives and tastes awful, the waiter does not have the right to say to me "if you don't like it, cook it yourself". The chef does not have the right to say to me "tell me exactly what I did wrong, since you're claiming you're an expert on steaks". No. Anyone can complain about a thing, and the fact that they haven't tried to fix the code themselves is utterly irrelevant.
      - gbear605 1y ago
        The difference is that at a restaurant you’re paying for it. If you show up at a soup kitchen and complain that it wasn’t seasoned just right, that’s fully on you.