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> would be unlikely to have emerged from someone who was just putting gibberish on the page People often assert this, but I'm unsure of any evidence. If I wrot
by InsideOutSanta 1y ago
> would be unlikely to have emerged from someone who was just putting gibberish on the page
People often assert this, but I'm unsure of any evidence. If I wrote a manuscript in a pretend language, I would expect it to end up with language-like patterns, some automatically and some intentionally.
Humans aren't random number generators, and they aren't stupid. Therefore, the implicit claim that a human could not create a manuscript containing gibberish that exhibits many language-like patterns seems unlikely to be true.
So we have two options:
1. This is either a real language or an encoded real language that we've never seen before and can't decrypt, even after many years of attempts
2. Or it is gibberish that exhibits features of a real language
I can't help but feel that option 2 is now the more likely choice.
- neom 1y agoFor some reason your comment reminds me of this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisencolinensinainciusol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisencolinensinainciusol - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fU-wH8SrFro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fU-wH8SrFro
- tonymillion 1y agoAnd let’s not forget “Ken Lee” https://youtu.be/vUAaHkGpJy8 https://youtu.be/vUAaHkGpJy8
- CamperBob2 1y agoOr Dead Can Dance, e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEVPYVpzMRA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEVPYVpzMRA . It's harder to generate good gibberish than it appears at first.
- buildsjets 1y agoJapanese psychedelic band Kikagaku Moyo writes lyrics that are basically Japanese baby talk / babble. https://youtube.com/watch?v=idfOZFdTM-8&t=2m39s https://youtube.com/watch?v=idfOZFdTM-8&t=2m39s https://genius.com/Kikagaku-moyo-dripping-sun-lyrics https://genius.com/Kikagaku-moyo-dripping-sun-lyrics
- cubefox 1y agoCreating gibberish with the statistical properties of a natural language is a very hard task if you do this hundreds of years before the discovery of said statistical properties.
- InsideOutSanta 1y agoWhy?
- vehemenz 1y agoI'm not sure where this claim keeps coming from. Voynichese doesn't exhibit the statistical qualities of any known natural language. In a very limited sense, yes, but on balance, no. There is too much repetition for that.
- userbinator 1y agoThose statistical properties are inherent in how the human brain works.