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Statistical analyses such as this one consistently find patterns that are consistent with a proper language and would be unlikely to have emerged from someone w
by lolinder 1y ago
Statistical analyses such as this one consistently find patterns that are consistent with a proper language and would be unlikely to have emerged from someone who was just putting gibberish on the page. To get the kinds of patterns these turn up someone would have had to go a large part of the way towards building a full constructed language, which is interesting in its own right.
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- andoando 1y agoCould still be gibberish. Shud less kee chicken souls do be gooby good? Mus hess to my rooby roo!
- edoceo 1y agoThis reads like bayou-louisanian or possibly Ozark (source: family)
- veqq 1y ago> consistent with a proper language There's certainly a system to the madness, but it exhibits rather different statistical properties from "proper" languages. Look at section 2.4: https://www.voynich.nu/a2_char.html https://www.voynich.nu/a2_char.html At the moment, any apparently linguistic patterns are happenstance; the cypher fundamentally obscures its actual distribution (if a "proper" language.)
- InsideOutSanta 1y ago> would be unlikely to have emerged from someone who was just putting gibberish on the page People often assert this, but I'm unsure of any evidence. If I wrote a manuscript in a pretend language, I would expect it to end up with language-like patterns, some automatically and some intentionally. Humans aren't random number generators, and they aren't stupid. Therefore, the implicit claim that a human could not create a manuscript containing gibberish that exhibits many language-like patterns seems unlikely to be true. So we have two options: 1. This is either a real language or an encoded real language that we've never seen before and can't decrypt, even after many years of attempts 2. Or it is gibberish that exhibits features of a real language I can't help but feel that option 2 is now the more likely choice.
- neom 1y agoFor some reason your comment reminds me of this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisencolinensinainciusol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisencolinensinainciusol - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fU-wH8SrFro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fU-wH8SrFro
- tonymillion 1y agoAnd let’s not forget “Ken Lee” https://youtu.be/vUAaHkGpJy8 https://youtu.be/vUAaHkGpJy8
- CamperBob2 1y agoOr Dead Can Dance, e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEVPYVpzMRA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEVPYVpzMRA . It's harder to generate good gibberish than it appears at first.
- buildsjets 1y agoJapanese psychedelic band Kikagaku Moyo writes lyrics that are basically Japanese baby talk / babble. https://youtube.com/watch?v=idfOZFdTM-8&t=2m39s https://youtube.com/watch?v=idfOZFdTM-8&t=2m39s https://genius.com/Kikagaku-moyo-dripping-sun-lyrics https://genius.com/Kikagaku-moyo-dripping-sun-lyrics
- cubefox 1y agoCreating gibberish with the statistical properties of a natural language is a very hard task if you do this hundreds of years before the discovery of said statistical properties.
- InsideOutSanta 1y agoWhy?
- vehemenz 1y agoI'm not sure where this claim keeps coming from. Voynichese doesn't exhibit the statistical qualities of any known natural language. In a very limited sense, yes, but on balance, no. There is too much repetition for that.
- ahmedfromtunis 1y agoPersonally, I have no preference to any theory about the book; whichever it turns out to be, I'll take it as is. That said, I just watched a video about the practice of "speaking in tongues" that some christian congregations practice. From what I understand, it's a practice where believers speak in gibberish for certain rituals. Studying these "speeches", researches found patterns and rhythms that the speakers followed without even being aware they exist. I'm not saying that's what's happening here, but maybe if this was a hoax (or a prank), maybe these patterns emerged just because they were inscribed by a human brain? At best, these patterns can be thought of as shadows of the patterns found in the writers mother tongue?
- vehemenz 1y agoEven before we consider the cipher, there's a huge difference between a constructed language and a stochastic process to generate language-like text.
- Loughla 1y agoIf you're going to make a hoax for fun or for profit, wouldn't it be the best first step to make it seem legitimate, by coming up with a fake language? Klingon is fake, but has standard conventions. This isn't really a difficult proposition compared to all of the illustrations and what-not, I would think.
- int_19h 1y agoIf you come up with a fake language, then by definition the text has some meaning in said language.