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> P.S., I think the current trend is a wakeup call to us software engineers. We thought we were doing highly creative work, but in reality we spend a lot of tim

> P.S., I think the current trend is a wakeup call to us software engineers. We thought we were doing highly creative work, but in reality we spend a lot of time doing the basic job of knowledge workers: retrieving knowledge and interpolating some basic and highly predictable variations. Unfortunately, the current AI is really good at replacing this type of work. Most of the waking hours of most creative work have this type of drudgery. Professional painters and designers spend most of their time replicating ideas that are well fleshed-out. Musicians spend most of their time rehearsing existing compositions. There is a point to be made that these repetitive tasks are a prerequisite to come up with creative ideas.

rowanG077 1y ago
I disagree. AI have shown to most capable in what we consider creative jobs. Music creation, voice acting, text/story writing, art creation, video creation and more.
- roflyear 1y ago
  If you mean create as in literally, sure. But not in being creative. AI can't solve novel problems yet. The person you're replying to obviously means being creative not literally creating something.
  - crat3r 1y ago
    What is the qualifier for this? Didn't one of the models recently create a "novel" algorithm for a math problem? I'm not sure this holds water anymore.
    - roflyear 1y ago
      "After a couple of million suggestions and a few dozen repetitions of the overall process" How much of it is brute force?
      - virgildotcodes 1y ago
        Are we maybe moving the goalposts here? How much of human creativity is brute force?
        genewitch 1y ago
        Marble sculptures, that's what I came up with.
        roflyear 1y ago
        No, we're trying to have a conversation.
  - rowanG077 1y ago
    You can't say AI is creating something new but that it isn't being creative with clearly explaining why you think that's the case. AI is creating novel solution to problems humans haven't cracked in centuries. I don't see anything more creative than this.
    - roflyear 1y ago
      > AI is creating novel solution to problems humans haven't cracked in centuries Really?
      - rowanG077 1y ago
        Yes, really. Just yesterday google announced their AI was able to improve on human SotA algorithms in 25% of the cases fed into it. One of them was 4x4 complex matrix multiply. Which had pretty huge pressure to be improved.
        roflyear 1y ago
        I'm skeptical. I wouldn't call brute-force creating, not really. And Google obviously has an interest in promoting AI. Not to say it's not impressive and good.
- KaiserPro 1y ago
  > AI have shown to most capable in what we consider creative jobs no it creates shit thats close enough for people who are in a rush and dont care. ie, you need artwork for shit on temu, boom job done. You want to make a poster for a bake sale, boom job done. Need some free music that sounds close enough to be swifty, but not enough to get sued, great. But as an expression of creativity, most people cant get it to do that. Its currently slightly more configurable clipart.
  - rowanG077 1y ago
    > AI creates novel algorithms beating thousands of googlers. Random HNer on an AI post one day later > Its currently slightly more configurable clipart. It's so ridiculous at this point that I can just laugh about this.
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    - voidspark 1y ago
      Comparing music and algorithms is nonsense. AI music is disposable generic soulless trash, even if it is technically correct, in accordance with the rules and conventions of music theory. AI generates Muzak. Totally generic and derivative. There is no AI equivalent to Kurt Cobain, or James Brown, or Tori Amos.
      - rowanG077 1y ago
        There is no AI equivalent to Kurt Cobain or any other artists because 99% of what they are is not at all about their musical skill but all about marketing. There are thousands of musicians just as skilled if not more than Kurt Cobain or James Brown yet who don't have their fame. I also have no doubt an AI will outperform most musicians in short order in the foreseeable future. The step from making no music at all, to making acceptable music is gigantic compared to making acceptable music to making great music.
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rowanG077 1y ago

I disagree. AI have shown to most capable in what we consider creative jobs. Music creation, voice acting, text/story writing, art creation, video creation and more.

roflyear 1y ago
If you mean create as in literally, sure. But not in being creative. AI can't solve novel problems yet. The person you're replying to obviously means being creative not literally creating something.
- crat3r 1y ago
  What is the qualifier for this? Didn't one of the models recently create a "novel" algorithm for a math problem? I'm not sure this holds water anymore.
  - roflyear 1y ago
    "After a couple of million suggestions and a few dozen repetitions of the overall process" How much of it is brute force?
    - virgildotcodes 1y ago
      Are we maybe moving the goalposts here? How much of human creativity is brute force?
      - genewitch 1y ago
        Marble sculptures, that's what I came up with.
      - roflyear 1y ago
        No, we're trying to have a conversation.
- rowanG077 1y ago
  You can't say AI is creating something new but that it isn't being creative with clearly explaining why you think that's the case. AI is creating novel solution to problems humans haven't cracked in centuries. I don't see anything more creative than this.
  - roflyear 1y ago
    > AI is creating novel solution to problems humans haven't cracked in centuries Really?
    - rowanG077 1y ago
      Yes, really. Just yesterday google announced their AI was able to improve on human SotA algorithms in 25% of the cases fed into it. One of them was 4x4 complex matrix multiply. Which had pretty huge pressure to be improved.
      - roflyear 1y ago
        I'm skeptical. I wouldn't call brute-force creating, not really. And Google obviously has an interest in promoting AI. Not to say it's not impressive and good.
KaiserPro 1y ago
> AI have shown to most capable in what we consider creative jobs no it creates shit thats close enough for people who are in a rush and dont care. ie, you need artwork for shit on temu, boom job done. You want to make a poster for a bake sale, boom job done. Need some free music that sounds close enough to be swifty, but not enough to get sued, great. But as an expression of creativity, most people cant get it to do that. Its currently slightly more configurable clipart.
- rowanG077 1y ago
  > AI creates novel algorithms beating thousands of googlers. Random HNer on an AI post one day later > Its currently slightly more configurable clipart. It's so ridiculous at this point that I can just laugh about this.
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  - voidspark 1y ago
    Comparing music and algorithms is nonsense. AI music is disposable generic soulless trash, even if it is technically correct, in accordance with the rules and conventions of music theory. AI generates Muzak. Totally generic and derivative. There is no AI equivalent to Kurt Cobain, or James Brown, or Tori Amos.
    - rowanG077 1y ago
      There is no AI equivalent to Kurt Cobain or any other artists because 99% of what they are is not at all about their musical skill but all about marketing. There are thousands of musicians just as skilled if not more than Kurt Cobain or James Brown yet who don't have their fame. I also have no doubt an AI will outperform most musicians in short order in the foreseeable future. The step from making no music at all, to making acceptable music is gigantic compared to making acceptable music to making great music.
      - deleted 1y ago