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The problem is bad articles like this are in effect making things far worse for the Palestinians by pushing Israel to the right. Here's the flip side: https://w

The problem is bad articles like this are in effect making things far worse for the Palestinians by pushing Israel to the right. Here's the flip side: https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/icc-decided-to-charge-netanyahu-after-khan-accused-of-sexual-assault/ar-AA1ExPpq https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/icc-decided-to-charge-n... Corrupt people like Khan inadvertently give Netanyahu legitimacy and hurt the voices within Israel that are trying to stop him. Biased reporting like the BBC is responsible is a huge part of the problem.

orwin 1y ago
I'm sorry but why? War crimes are war crimes. Raping prisoners is raping prisoners, being right or left has nothing to do with it. ICC investigation are needed to see if there is any substance to the allegations, whoever the prosecution is, and why would be left-leaning or right-leaning influence it? If state/billionaire propaganda use it as propaganda props, that's not the props fault, and they would use other perceived slights instead.
- invalidname 1y ago
  The claim of war crimes is unverified and deeply one sided decided by a court presided by a country that was literally firing missiles at Israel at the time. > Raping prisoners This was contested. There was an assault that was illegal and included a sexual incident (although was not intended as such). It's terrible, sure and it's on trial right now. That has nothing to do with what I said. You're trying to turn the conversation into something else instead of focusing on the facts. The fact is that you're strengthening one zero sum player (Hamas), which works against Palestinians. This doesn't strengthen Palestinians in any way. On the contrary, it forces them into conflict with Israel which isn't good for anyone. This is a strategy of chaos agents in a world where two zero sum players are in conflict. The right strategy is to calm things and support the centrists without strengthening these a*holes. It isn't about Israel, it's about the terrible government Israel has right now. This isn't about Palestinians, it's about Hamas.
  - licebmi__at__ 1y ago
    Funny, here we see US sanctions against somebody trying to prosecute the “terrible government Israel hs right now”, and you also suggesting corruption, weird way to bolster centrists and not strengthening the assholes.
    - invalidname 1y ago
      That specific prosecutor is corrupt and there's evidence of his prejudice against Israel. His filing a complaint with the support of South Africa (funded by Iran) gives legitimacy to the Israeli right wings claims of anti-Israeli bias. They aren't wrong. Israel is a democracy, it is trying to get the government out through the only way possible: protest. There will be an election next year. But until then there's very little you can do. Israel is not a member of the ICC and didn't sign the treaty. That makes sense since the UN is inherently biased against Israel by a huge margin. Imagine if the ICC was trying to arrest Bush or Trump. Both terrible leaders who arguably committed war crimes. Hell, literally every American president in the past century with the exception of Carter would probably fit that bill. Probably most European countries too. The current situation is difficult, but right now protestors are busy framing it as "Israels fault" which is both false and harmful to the Palestinians. Hamas is still holding hostages which is giving legitimacy to the war. This is giving them an incentive to keep holding these hostages as only Israel bares the blame. For the Israeli right wing this is also good. They want the global isolation which will push Israelis against the wall. They want Israelis to feel like "it's either us or them".
  - orwin 1y ago
    This must have been a misunderstanding on what i wrote, but i'm not a native speaker, also this could be cultural difference. I will try to expand on my first sentence since that where you disagree (?). In my country, a prosecutor direct the police to find proofs of alleged crimes. In that case, multiple one including war crime, geneva convention on prisonner of war breachs, including but not limited to rape. If the prosecutor cannot do that, nothing can be judged. The faster the prosecutor do their job, the faster those thing can be judged. It is in in the interest of everybody involved (with the exception of guilty parties) that the prosecution can work unimpeded, so that judgement can be made faster. If not enough proof were found despite the prosecutor work, then the judges will be able to rule a dismissal. The identity of the prosecutor is a negligeable factor. This is not a left-wing viewpoint, this is a right of law viewpoint (and it is _extremely_ damageable that some people conflate the two). And with all due respect, "support the centrists"? Who do you call "centrist" here? The extreme centrists? The "moderate" bourgeoisie? The military new aristocracy? But you're right in a sense, because what happen when those centrist are loosing their power base and they have to choose between loosing power or catering to the violent is now history.

orwin 1y ago

I'm sorry but why? War crimes are war crimes. Raping prisoners is raping prisoners, being right or left has nothing to do with it. ICC investigation are needed to see if there is any substance to the allegations, whoever the prosecution is, and why would be left-leaning or right-leaning influence it? If state/billionaire propaganda use it as propaganda props, that's not the props fault, and they would use other perceived slights instead.

invalidname 1y ago
The claim of war crimes is unverified and deeply one sided decided by a court presided by a country that was literally firing missiles at Israel at the time. > Raping prisoners This was contested. There was an assault that was illegal and included a sexual incident (although was not intended as such). It's terrible, sure and it's on trial right now. That has nothing to do with what I said. You're trying to turn the conversation into something else instead of focusing on the facts. The fact is that you're strengthening one zero sum player (Hamas), which works against Palestinians. This doesn't strengthen Palestinians in any way. On the contrary, it forces them into conflict with Israel which isn't good for anyone. This is a strategy of chaos agents in a world where two zero sum players are in conflict. The right strategy is to calm things and support the centrists without strengthening these a*holes. It isn't about Israel, it's about the terrible government Israel has right now. This isn't about Palestinians, it's about Hamas.
- licebmi__at__ 1y ago
  Funny, here we see US sanctions against somebody trying to prosecute the “terrible government Israel hs right now”, and you also suggesting corruption, weird way to bolster centrists and not strengthening the assholes.
  - invalidname 1y ago
    That specific prosecutor is corrupt and there's evidence of his prejudice against Israel. His filing a complaint with the support of South Africa (funded by Iran) gives legitimacy to the Israeli right wings claims of anti-Israeli bias. They aren't wrong. Israel is a democracy, it is trying to get the government out through the only way possible: protest. There will be an election next year. But until then there's very little you can do. Israel is not a member of the ICC and didn't sign the treaty. That makes sense since the UN is inherently biased against Israel by a huge margin. Imagine if the ICC was trying to arrest Bush or Trump. Both terrible leaders who arguably committed war crimes. Hell, literally every American president in the past century with the exception of Carter would probably fit that bill. Probably most European countries too. The current situation is difficult, but right now protestors are busy framing it as "Israels fault" which is both false and harmful to the Palestinians. Hamas is still holding hostages which is giving legitimacy to the war. This is giving them an incentive to keep holding these hostages as only Israel bares the blame. For the Israeli right wing this is also good. They want the global isolation which will push Israelis against the wall. They want Israelis to feel like "it's either us or them".
- orwin 1y ago
  This must have been a misunderstanding on what i wrote, but i'm not a native speaker, also this could be cultural difference. I will try to expand on my first sentence since that where you disagree (?). In my country, a prosecutor direct the police to find proofs of alleged crimes. In that case, multiple one including war crime, geneva convention on prisonner of war breachs, including but not limited to rape. If the prosecutor cannot do that, nothing can be judged. The faster the prosecutor do their job, the faster those thing can be judged. It is in in the interest of everybody involved (with the exception of guilty parties) that the prosecution can work unimpeded, so that judgement can be made faster. If not enough proof were found despite the prosecutor work, then the judges will be able to rule a dismissal. The identity of the prosecutor is a negligeable factor. This is not a left-wing viewpoint, this is a right of law viewpoint (and it is _extremely_ damageable that some people conflate the two). And with all due respect, "support the centrists"? Who do you call "centrist" here? The extreme centrists? The "moderate" bourgeoisie? The military new aristocracy? But you're right in a sense, because what happen when those centrist are loosing their power base and they have to choose between loosing power or catering to the violent is now history.