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It also allows the people actually in the class a lesson uninterrupted by random people for variety of good/bad reasons. Most 90% of students is not late on an
by Aeolun 1y ago
It also allows the people actually in the class a lesson uninterrupted by random people for variety of good/bad reasons.
Most 90% of students is not late on any given day. Should they all be penalized for the actions of a few?
- shakna 1y agoSo you're happy to punish 10% of students, for no fault of their own. You'll trade a moment's distraction, for a paid-for day's learning. That, is a lack of empathy. Especially as for about the last hundred years universities have had a process that allows for the necessary flexibility. To take this to the extreme... Should we simply fire everyone who is late to work, without reason? If someone else causes a car accident, should we simply revoke the licenses of everyone involved, regardless?
- QuarterReptile 1y agoCome now, we can be more extreme than that! Late for class, your city gets nuked. Forget an assignment, bioweapon deployed. Bomb an exam, and you're on the first plane to the front lines in Ukraine.
- PlunderBunny 1y agoSee also: we can reduce the number of police and compensate by increasing the penalties for crime (late 20th century edition).
- Aeolun 1y ago> Should we simply fire everyone who is late to work, without reason? Not necessarily, but I think you’d see a much more consistent attendance rate. Which is of course the whole point of such a policy.
- shakna 1y agoThe student is the employer, though. They are paying the university for a service. They aren't the employee.
- Planktonne 1y agoThe student is the customer, not the employer, if you must phrase it in those terms. And I think education benefits when you define the student as a student, before anything else.
- degamad 1y agoThe request is not to transfer the burden onto the 90%, but to design a system where the 10% are able to participate without impeding the 90%. For example, if students enter from the rear of the room, then delayed students can join without disrupting the on-time students. If we start the design process with the awareness that some students will be late, then we can design systems which support all students.
- ryandrake 1y agoHere’s a process for that 10%: wake up 30 minutes earlier to create a buffer that allows for unexpected events like traffic and for expected events like “I just can’t seem to be on time, maybe I’m sick.”
- throwaway173738 1y agoI’ve been in the 90% at times and in the 10% at others. People should be entitled to grace, and we shouldn’t just assume anyone who isn’t absolutely punctual is a malingerer. Unless you live alone on a thousand acres you’re perpetually giving other people grace for their foibles and they’re giving you grace for yours.
- yard2010 1y agoThis doesn't work, any other smart easy solution to heal this disease?
- exe34 1y ago"Just get less sleep, bro!" isn't the gotcha you think it is.
- exe34 1y agoMake them sit at the back of the class?