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You seem to expect the professor to give you a reasonable accommodation for an affliction you didn’t even realize you had. If you want to hold him accountable f

by bumby 1y ago

You seem to expect the professor to give you a reasonable accommodation for an affliction you didn’t even realize you had. If you want to hold him accountable for his (unfair?) rules, you need to first hold yourself accountable for getting the disease diagnosed.

DontchaKnowit 1y ago
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- bumby 1y ago
  First, go read the HN guidelines and understand why your post should be reframed. >how would you even know you had a condition and werent just a lazy ass? If you are not able to know, how on Earth do you expect the professor to know you aren’t just lazy or unmotivated? I’m all for giving people grace. But it strikes me as a weird take to expect people to go around assuming people have some grave condition that they don’t even realize to excuse them from all manner of aberrant behavior.
- DiggyJohnson 1y ago
  This is completely out of line. Calm down before commenting. Strong disagreement is fine but this style of communication repels discussion.
  - mfru 1y ago
    And here is the notable lack of empathy HN displays on a daily basis. You don't need to tone police people to get their point. Just read what they are saying instead of rejecting their opinion because you are uncomfortable when someone displays a strong emotion.
    - bumby 1y ago
      Yet there are clear HN guidelines that were should try to police in the effort to foster curious conversation.
gnfargbl 1y ago
> You seem to expect the professor to give you a reasonable accommodation for an affliction you didn’t even realize you had. No. How could he? Instead, I'm pointing out the value of empathy, tolerance and flexibility.
- bumby 1y ago
  I’m all for empathy, tolerance, and flexibility (to a reasonable degree). I also don’t think it’s reasonable to expect a professor to act on an assumption of illness when the person actually experiencing the symptoms does not hold that assumption. Your perspective makes it seem like the prof is privy to information about your health that you don’t have.
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  - daveatwork 1y ago
    I'd go a step further.. The prof was expressing empathy for the students that made the effort to be on time. They made it. If you know you're late all the time, then make allowances. 8 hours not enough sleep, go to bed earlier. 1 hour not enough time to wake up, set your alarm to give you 2 hours. This isn't related to knowing you're sick, just knowing you're late often. It always makes me wonder when I hear "empathy, tolerance, flexibility" pointed at a group of 30 or more, who need to work around one persons inability to do the same. I had a co-worker who was always late. I told her she was lying when she said she'd be there at 2. She got miffed. I replied. "You're late so often, do you expect you'll be on time. I know you'll try, but do you really believe you're not going to be late." She paused. "If you know you're very likely going to be late and tell me you will be somewhere at time X, then you are lying."
    - sunderw 1y ago
      It really shows that you know nothing about sleep-related disabilities. I know someone suffering from idiopathic hypersomnia[1]. You can't just "choose" to go to bed earlier to wake up earlier in the morning. Sometimes it might work, most of the time it doesn't. You think it's the disabled person's responsibility to never put a burden on others when others' expectations puts an unreasonable amount of burdens. And we're talking about this specific kind of disability, but as someone else said in a sibling comment, it could be anything. Imagine you really have to go to the bathroom for some reason (pregnancy, diarrhea, ...). That can happen to a lot of people. Should all of them be prevented from being accepted into class ? That's why we speak about "empathy, tolerance, flexibility". Empathy towards the weaker few, not empathy towards the "normal" many. [1]: https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/hypersomnia/symptoms-causes/syc-20362332 https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/hypersomnia/s...
shakna 1y ago
The world we live in, with the people we live with, require accomodations every single day. Not locking a door allows the students who were delayed on the road by a car accident, as much as the disabled student who took five minutes longer than expected after falling down some stairs. Every single person makes mistakes at times. If those are not absorbed by flexibility, then they go on to affect everyone else connected to the punished. If the professor is delayed due to a tire puncture, should they lose their tenure?
- Aeolun 1y ago
  It also allows the people actually in the class a lesson uninterrupted by random people for variety of good/bad reasons. Most 90% of students is not late on any given day. Should they all be penalized for the actions of a few?
  - shakna 1y ago
    So you're happy to punish 10% of students, for no fault of their own. You'll trade a moment's distraction, for a paid-for day's learning. That, is a lack of empathy. Especially as for about the last hundred years universities have had a process that allows for the necessary flexibility. To take this to the extreme... Should we simply fire everyone who is late to work, without reason? If someone else causes a car accident, should we simply revoke the licenses of everyone involved, regardless?
    - QuarterReptile 1y ago
      Come now, we can be more extreme than that! Late for class, your city gets nuked. Forget an assignment, bioweapon deployed. Bomb an exam, and you're on the first plane to the front lines in Ukraine.
      - PlunderBunny 1y ago
        See also: we can reduce the number of police and compensate by increasing the penalties for crime (late 20th century edition).
taneq 1y ago
Maybe we should just be a little lenient to everyone, on principle?
- daveatwork 1y ago
  What of the ADD student who gets distracted when someone comes in late? What should we tell them. "Suck it up" What of the daycare that's expecting you to show up and pick up your kids on time. Should we tell the workers to wait, because the guy replacing you at work was late. Then of course we tell the cleaners of the daycare to start their shift 30 mins later because they have to wait for the last kid to leave. Oh and the cleaners will have to stay 30 min extra to clean, so now we tell the people relying on them to wait. Or.. Or we tell the cleaners to work a bit harder so they don't take an extra 30 minutes.. So the 30min you're late messes up the day of not just the person expecting you, but all the people expecting them. How about on principle anticipate that you're going to be late, and make an effort to arrive early. If you know you're late all the time, start giving yourself more time.

by bumby 1y ago

DontchaKnowit 1y ago

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bumby 1y ago
First, go read the HN guidelines and understand why your post should be reframed. >how would you even know you had a condition and werent just a lazy ass? If you are not able to know, how on Earth do you expect the professor to know you aren’t just lazy or unmotivated? I’m all for giving people grace. But it strikes me as a weird take to expect people to go around assuming people have some grave condition that they don’t even realize to excuse them from all manner of aberrant behavior.
DiggyJohnson 1y ago
This is completely out of line. Calm down before commenting. Strong disagreement is fine but this style of communication repels discussion.
- mfru 1y ago
  And here is the notable lack of empathy HN displays on a daily basis. You don't need to tone police people to get their point. Just read what they are saying instead of rejecting their opinion because you are uncomfortable when someone displays a strong emotion.
  - bumby 1y ago
    Yet there are clear HN guidelines that were should try to police in the effort to foster curious conversation.

gnfargbl 1y ago

> You seem to expect the professor to give you a reasonable accommodation for an affliction you didn’t even realize you had. No. How could he? Instead, I'm pointing out the value of empathy, tolerance and flexibility.

bumby 1y ago
I’m all for empathy, tolerance, and flexibility (to a reasonable degree). I also don’t think it’s reasonable to expect a professor to act on an assumption of illness when the person actually experiencing the symptoms does not hold that assumption. Your perspective makes it seem like the prof is privy to information about your health that you don’t have.
- deleted 1y ago
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- daveatwork 1y ago
  I'd go a step further.. The prof was expressing empathy for the students that made the effort to be on time. They made it. If you know you're late all the time, then make allowances. 8 hours not enough sleep, go to bed earlier. 1 hour not enough time to wake up, set your alarm to give you 2 hours. This isn't related to knowing you're sick, just knowing you're late often. It always makes me wonder when I hear "empathy, tolerance, flexibility" pointed at a group of 30 or more, who need to work around one persons inability to do the same. I had a co-worker who was always late. I told her she was lying when she said she'd be there at 2. She got miffed. I replied. "You're late so often, do you expect you'll be on time. I know you'll try, but do you really believe you're not going to be late." She paused. "If you know you're very likely going to be late and tell me you will be somewhere at time X, then you are lying."
  - sunderw 1y ago
    It really shows that you know nothing about sleep-related disabilities. I know someone suffering from idiopathic hypersomnia[1]. You can't just "choose" to go to bed earlier to wake up earlier in the morning. Sometimes it might work, most of the time it doesn't. You think it's the disabled person's responsibility to never put a burden on others when others' expectations puts an unreasonable amount of burdens. And we're talking about this specific kind of disability, but as someone else said in a sibling comment, it could be anything. Imagine you really have to go to the bathroom for some reason (pregnancy, diarrhea, ...). That can happen to a lot of people. Should all of them be prevented from being accepted into class ? That's why we speak about "empathy, tolerance, flexibility". Empathy towards the weaker few, not empathy towards the "normal" many. [1]: https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/hypersomnia/symptoms-causes/syc-20362332 https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/hypersomnia/s...

shakna 1y ago

The world we live in, with the people we live with, require accomodations every single day. Not locking a door allows the students who were delayed on the road by a car accident, as much as the disabled student who took five minutes longer than expected after falling down some stairs. Every single person makes mistakes at times. If those are not absorbed by flexibility, then they go on to affect everyone else connected to the punished. If the professor is delayed due to a tire puncture, should they lose their tenure?

Aeolun 1y ago
It also allows the people actually in the class a lesson uninterrupted by random people for variety of good/bad reasons. Most 90% of students is not late on any given day. Should they all be penalized for the actions of a few?
- shakna 1y ago
  So you're happy to punish 10% of students, for no fault of their own. You'll trade a moment's distraction, for a paid-for day's learning. That, is a lack of empathy. Especially as for about the last hundred years universities have had a process that allows for the necessary flexibility. To take this to the extreme... Should we simply fire everyone who is late to work, without reason? If someone else causes a car accident, should we simply revoke the licenses of everyone involved, regardless?
  - QuarterReptile 1y ago
    Come now, we can be more extreme than that! Late for class, your city gets nuked. Forget an assignment, bioweapon deployed. Bomb an exam, and you're on the first plane to the front lines in Ukraine.
    - PlunderBunny 1y ago
      See also: we can reduce the number of police and compensate by increasing the penalties for crime (late 20th century edition).

taneq 1y ago

Maybe we should just be a little lenient to everyone, on principle?

daveatwork 1y ago
What of the ADD student who gets distracted when someone comes in late? What should we tell them. "Suck it up" What of the daycare that's expecting you to show up and pick up your kids on time. Should we tell the workers to wait, because the guy replacing you at work was late. Then of course we tell the cleaners of the daycare to start their shift 30 mins later because they have to wait for the last kid to leave. Oh and the cleaners will have to stay 30 min extra to clean, so now we tell the people relying on them to wait. Or.. Or we tell the cleaners to work a bit harder so they don't take an extra 30 minutes.. So the 30min you're late messes up the day of not just the person expecting you, but all the people expecting them. How about on principle anticipate that you're going to be late, and make an effort to arrive early. If you know you're late all the time, start giving yourself more time.