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I have a medical condition (autoimmune hypothyroid, extreme edition) which I wasn't aware of, but was suffering from severely, during my University years. Wakin

I have a medical condition (autoimmune hypothyroid, extreme edition) which I wasn't aware of, but was suffering from severely, during my University years. Waking up was extremely difficult for me and as a result I was often late. At the time I couldn't understand why I seemingly had a problem that nobody else did, and presumed I just lacked self control. Nope, I just needed (a lot) of medication. Your Prof Ramsey would have penalised me for this unknown condition. This isn't behaviour to be celebrated.

CrimsonRain 1y ago
As someone who is _often_ late, your inability to be there in time is not someone else's problem. Unfairly punished...gimme a break.
- DontchaKnowit 1y ago
  Its so strange to me that when it comes to college no one has any empathy whatsoever for students. Its so absurd.
  - recursive 1y ago
    Some people don't have empathy for students regarding this particular subject.
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- sunderw 1y ago
  That's a common point of view, but when your disability is never someone else's problem, it becomes waaaaaay harder to manage. You should display more empathy to people that don't follow the norm.
  - bumby 1y ago
    Except in this case, there is no information to the other party that someone has a disability. So the default that we assume someone has a disability is what most people take umbrage with. I try to be generous as much as is reasonable. I generally assume the person who cuts me off in traffic may have an urgent need, but vaulting every misdeed to an assumption that it's due to some unknown disability crosses into unreasonable territory, if for nothing else than it's probabilistically a bad assumption. Taken to the extreme, it becomes enabling for everyone who does not have a disability but gets away with bad behavior.
DrammBA 1y ago
> Your Prof Ramsey would have penalised me for this unknown condition. This isn't behaviour to be celebrated. On the contrary, your anecdote is evidence of how this seemingly arbitrary behaviour can actually uncover real issues and prompt people to question and investigate.
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bumby 1y ago
You seem to expect the professor to give you a reasonable accommodation for an affliction you didn’t even realize you had. If you want to hold him accountable for his (unfair?) rules, you need to first hold yourself accountable for getting the disease diagnosed.
- DontchaKnowit 1y ago
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  - bumby 1y ago
    First, go read the HN guidelines and understand why your post should be reframed. >how would you even know you had a condition and werent just a lazy ass? If you are not able to know, how on Earth do you expect the professor to know you aren’t just lazy or unmotivated? I’m all for giving people grace. But it strikes me as a weird take to expect people to go around assuming people have some grave condition that they don’t even realize to excuse them from all manner of aberrant behavior.
  - DiggyJohnson 1y ago
    This is completely out of line. Calm down before commenting. Strong disagreement is fine but this style of communication repels discussion.
    - mfru 1y ago
      And here is the notable lack of empathy HN displays on a daily basis. You don't need to tone police people to get their point. Just read what they are saying instead of rejecting their opinion because you are uncomfortable when someone displays a strong emotion.
      - bumby 1y ago
        Yet there are clear HN guidelines that were should try to police in the effort to foster curious conversation.
daveatwork 1y ago
Why not. I mean if you're expected to come and relieve a co-worker at 5pm, because he has to go get his kids from daycare, and you show up at 5:30 so now the police are at the daycare collecting his kids (because he's waiting for you all the time) It always baffles me. Make accommodations for your conditions.. So the 30 plus students are meant to have their time interrupted by a late arrival. I have ADD, so when in a class if someone comes in late, I get distracted and can't pay attention. Which person should this prof accomodate? Me with ADD or you. The "make accommodations" is always argued by the few, against the needs of the many. It's self centred. If waking up is hard, go to be earlier, get a better alarm clock, pick classes later in the day. Make accommodations for your own disability. My ADD has me working from home, with noise cancelling headphones. I accommodated my own-self.
DiggyJohnson 1y ago
It is baffling that you are claiming “can’t show up on time” is something professors need to work around as a reasonable accommodation. In cases where a student shows up 10+ minutes late to a course and disrupts the lecture, what percentage of the time do you estimate the reason for tardiness is a diagnosed or undiagnosed illness or hardship.
- sunderw 1y ago
  Then maybe the easy solution is to make sure anyone showing up late doesn't disrupt anything? That accommodates everyone, is flexible, and does not unfairly punish anyone. _THAT_ is flexibility.
  - bumby 1y ago
    Isn't it reasonable that we try to disrupt each other as much as possible as a default? It seems odd to force that responsibility onto another party. (ie it's weird to assume the professor is responsible for making sure another adult isn't disruptive)
hollerith 1y ago
You seem to think that if everyone were more empathetic, it would be possible to arrange our society so that people with serious un-diagnosed medical conditions never have to miss out on anything important.
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542354234235 1y ago
Maybe people had ADHD and having students disrupt the class once it began made it hard to stay focused. The professor was making a reasonable accommodation for them and should be celebrated.

CrimsonRain 1y ago

As someone who is _often_ late, your inability to be there in time is not someone else's problem. Unfairly punished...gimme a break.

DontchaKnowit 1y ago
Its so strange to me that when it comes to college no one has any empathy whatsoever for students. Its so absurd.
- recursive 1y ago
  Some people don't have empathy for students regarding this particular subject.
  - deleted 1y ago
    [deleted]
sunderw 1y ago
That's a common point of view, but when your disability is never someone else's problem, it becomes waaaaaay harder to manage. You should display more empathy to people that don't follow the norm.
- bumby 1y ago
  Except in this case, there is no information to the other party that someone has a disability. So the default that we assume someone has a disability is what most people take umbrage with. I try to be generous as much as is reasonable. I generally assume the person who cuts me off in traffic may have an urgent need, but vaulting every misdeed to an assumption that it's due to some unknown disability crosses into unreasonable territory, if for nothing else than it's probabilistically a bad assumption. Taken to the extreme, it becomes enabling for everyone who does not have a disability but gets away with bad behavior.

DrammBA 1y ago

> Your Prof Ramsey would have penalised me for this unknown condition. This isn't behaviour to be celebrated. On the contrary, your anecdote is evidence of how this seemingly arbitrary behaviour can actually uncover real issues and prompt people to question and investigate.

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bumby 1y ago

You seem to expect the professor to give you a reasonable accommodation for an affliction you didn’t even realize you had. If you want to hold him accountable for his (unfair?) rules, you need to first hold yourself accountable for getting the disease diagnosed.

DontchaKnowit 1y ago
[flagged]
- deleted 1y ago
  [deleted]
- bumby 1y ago
  First, go read the HN guidelines and understand why your post should be reframed. >how would you even know you had a condition and werent just a lazy ass? If you are not able to know, how on Earth do you expect the professor to know you aren’t just lazy or unmotivated? I’m all for giving people grace. But it strikes me as a weird take to expect people to go around assuming people have some grave condition that they don’t even realize to excuse them from all manner of aberrant behavior.
- DiggyJohnson 1y ago
  This is completely out of line. Calm down before commenting. Strong disagreement is fine but this style of communication repels discussion.
  - mfru 1y ago
    And here is the notable lack of empathy HN displays on a daily basis. You don't need to tone police people to get their point. Just read what they are saying instead of rejecting their opinion because you are uncomfortable when someone displays a strong emotion.
    - bumby 1y ago
      Yet there are clear HN guidelines that were should try to police in the effort to foster curious conversation.

daveatwork 1y ago

Why not. I mean if you're expected to come and relieve a co-worker at 5pm, because he has to go get his kids from daycare, and you show up at 5:30 so now the police are at the daycare collecting his kids (because he's waiting for you all the time) It always baffles me. Make accommodations for your conditions.. So the 30 plus students are meant to have their time interrupted by a late arrival. I have ADD, so when in a class if someone comes in late, I get distracted and can't pay attention. Which person should this prof accomodate? Me with ADD or you. The "make accommodations" is always argued by the few, against the needs of the many. It's self centred. If waking up is hard, go to be earlier, get a better alarm clock, pick classes later in the day. Make accommodations for your own disability. My ADD has me working from home, with noise cancelling headphones. I accommodated my own-self.

DiggyJohnson 1y ago

It is baffling that you are claiming “can’t show up on time” is something professors need to work around as a reasonable accommodation. In cases where a student shows up 10+ minutes late to a course and disrupts the lecture, what percentage of the time do you estimate the reason for tardiness is a diagnosed or undiagnosed illness or hardship.

sunderw 1y ago
Then maybe the easy solution is to make sure anyone showing up late doesn't disrupt anything? That accommodates everyone, is flexible, and does not unfairly punish anyone. _THAT_ is flexibility.
- bumby 1y ago
  Isn't it reasonable that we try to disrupt each other as much as possible as a default? It seems odd to force that responsibility onto another party. (ie it's weird to assume the professor is responsible for making sure another adult isn't disruptive)

hollerith 1y ago

You seem to think that if everyone were more empathetic, it would be possible to arrange our society so that people with serious un-diagnosed medical conditions never have to miss out on anything important.

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542354234235 1y ago

Maybe people had ADHD and having students disrupt the class once it began made it hard to stay focused. The professor was making a reasonable accommodation for them and should be celebrated.