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U.S. nuclear base hidden under Greenland's ice for decades
- rwmj 1y agohttps://archive.ph/bTZuA https://archive.ph/bTZuA
- JKCalhoun 1y agoWild. The most Hoth-like thing I've seen.
- wslh 1y agoReally. Offtopic: Andor series is the best Star Wars.
- xnx 1y agoI too will use any excuse to proselytize Andor. Speaking of Andor, it's the best Star Wars anything of all time and some of the best TV period.
- average_r_user 1y agoCan confirm, peak Star Wars. All the references to the original movies are on point
- thaumasiotes 1y ago> All the references to the original movies are on point How I Met Your Mother was a very popular show. But when I watched it, I was struck by the fact that in many, many places where an ordinary sitcom would have a joke, HIMYM instead had a continuity reference. Everything about the structure of the scene would suggest that the reference had been a comical beat, and the laugh track would play, but there was not even the faintest suggestion of... a joke. If I want to hear about things that happened in the original movies, I can watch them. Does referring to them improve Andor somehow?
- average_r_user 1y agoI think it's a personal preference. I personally like very subtle references to the classic trilogy: a non-fan can still follow the scene without problems, but for a fan, the same scene can carry a stronger impact and deeper meaning. I believe this more intense effect, at least for me, stems from the connection to the unique 'pathos' of the original three films. That's my two cents.
- alabastervlog 1y agoEh... it's extremely flabby, like most of these franchise-tied TV series (all the Marvel ones have the same problem, both the Netflix and Disney ones, though the Netflix ones are far worse about it). Tons of scenes where I want to yell at the editor "fucking cut away! It's over!" and then it goes on another 20 seconds, shots where it clearly should have cut a couple seconds earlier, whole pieces of dialog that are painfully redundant, restating things or adding nothing to either plot or character, et c, and it adds up. My best guess for why they do this is that it fills time with fewer set-ups and sets, saving production costs. I can't figure out another angle for how this could be saving money per minute of "content". The new season makes that really clear, because each 3-episode "movie" is 130ish minutes long and clearly could have been one 90ish minute film without losing anything important at all, still with plenty of time for relaxed-pace character development and such.
- jon-wood 1y ago> whole pieces of dialog that are painfully redundant, restating things or adding nothing to either plot or character Modern TV is made to be consumed (I use that word intentionally, not watched) by people who aren't really paying attention to what's happening, so you need to restate any major plot point several times to make sure it sticks.
- alabastervlog 1y agoI do think the cost thing is a factor. You've got 30 seconds you shot that, when the editor sits down to put it all together, definitely needs to be trimmed. But if you do that, it's 30 fewer seconds of "content". Your business measures output in terms of minutes of content, finished or watched. If you leave it in, the scene's worse, but how many viewers will stop watching because of it? Fewer than what it's worth to have that extra half-minute of "content". So it stays. And operating this way, you can shoot 7 minutes of dialog that'd be trimmed to 4.5 minutes in a good edit (it's many individual shots, and most have at least a little on the beginning or end that need to go), instead trimming only what's absolutely necessary and get 5 or maybe 5.5 minutes out of it; do that over an entire 40 minute episode and you've saved yourself an entire longish scene that you'd have had to set up for otherwise, to fill the same time. Each set-up is expensive, so that's also saving you money despite being the same amount of "content".
- hammock 1y agoHoth was almost certainly inspired by Camp Century (first profiled in the Saturday Evening Post in 1960)
- hersko 1y agoThis is amazing. Would love to see what it looks like down there now.
- ChrisMarshallNY 1y agoI have a friend that was stationed there. He's pretty old. I think it was in the 1960s.
- formerphotoj 1y agoWhat's old is new again! :)
- hyperific 1y agoHere's a documentary on Camp Century https://archive.org/details/gov.archives.arc.2569752 https://archive.org/details/gov.archives.arc.2569752
- perihelions 1y agoThis seems a color version of the same, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KG5tWbTCocA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KG5tWbTCocA ("Camp Century, The City Under The Ice - 1964 - CharlieDeanArchives / Archival Footage") (Found via https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30408226#30411047 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30408226#30411047 (under "Newcomer's Welcome Package: Thule Air Base, Greenland [pdf] (militaryonesource.mil)"—60 comments (nb. the OP is a dead link)))
- alnwlsn 1y agoIs this the one where they brought in a nuclear reactor? edit: Yes, it was the PM-2A. A "portable" (but larger) version similar to the infamous SL-1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_Nuclear_Power_Program#List_of_plants https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_Nuclear_Power_Program#Lis...
- robotnikman 1y agoI feel like commercial nuclear power would be better off using these much safer and smaller reactors than building massive powerplants.
- alnwlsn 1y agoI don't disagree, however I find it a bit ironic to see a comment like this under one that mentions the SL-1. It's one of the few nuclear disasters we know of where the reactor for-sure went prompt critical, causing the fuel to explode and kill 3 people. It was no Chernobyl, but I'd doubt you would find many that would call the design of that particular small reactor safe. Hopefully the developers of today's small reactors have learned the lesson: "don't build a reactor that can be controlled by just one control rod which also gets stuck all the time."
- perihelions 1y agoA couple other threads (on Project Iceworm and its tunnels), https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42262547 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42262547 ("NASA aircraft uncover Cold War nuclear missile tunnels under Greenland ice sheet (space.com)"—42 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42249801 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42249801 ("California scientists accidentally find nuclear fever dream in Arctic snow (sfgate.com)"—4 commments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28374013 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28374013 ("The U.S. Army tried portable nuclear power at remote bases 60 years ago (atlasobscura.com)" (2021)—152 comments)
- keepamovin 1y agoThere's very interesting bases in Greenland even today.
- runjake 1y agoSuch as? Presumably, you mean Pituffik Space Base[1], formerly Thule Air Base, and Thule Site J? 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pituffik_Space_Base https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pituffik_Space_Base 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thule_Site_J https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thule_Site_J
- keepamovin 1y agoOK there's that (Site J is fascinating). But there's also another in-mountain base near Helheim Glacier, and an under ice research base midway between Helheim and Jacobshavn Glacier (Site G or H?) lol given your background you should probably definitely know!
- hammock 1y agoThe most interesting ones are probably secret. “Helix” was a fictional TV show about a bio lab in the arctic.
- ipdashc 1y agoThule/Pituffik is why the whole "buying Greenland" thing never made sense to me, no matter how you try to look at it or steelman it... Before they were threatened with being purchased and invaded, Greenland and Denmark were our allies, and it's not like Greenland had a shortage of (non-green) land. If it was about military access, we could have just asked to build another base.
- Calwestjobs 1y agoyes, nuclear submarine can not shoot nuclear warhead thru ice that is true.
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- reaperducer 1y agoWay off topic, but it makes me wonder if Trump can't "get" Greenland the way he wants, if he'll just order Google et.al. to change their maps to show it as part of the United States anyway, and let cultural seepage do the work for him. "This must be America. It says so on Google Maps!"
- aatd86 1y agoreminds me of stargate sg1
- cluckindan 1y agoThe ideas in fiction come from somewhere…
- urda 1y agoGift link: https://www.wsj.com/world/greenland-us-camp-century-nuclear-base-91e8abea?st=xcLxQv&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink https://www.wsj.com/world/greenland-us-camp-century-nuclear-...
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- yubblegum 1y agoIs the nuclear reactor still there?