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Indeed, see https://semianalysis.com/2025/01/31/deepseek-debates/ https://semianalysis.com/2025/01/31/deepseek-debates/ for a well researched article about the
by charleshn 1y ago
Indeed, see https://semianalysis.com/2025/01/31/deepseek-debates/ https://semianalysis.com/2025/01/31/deepseek-debates/ for a well researched article about the actual cost.
- oefrha 1y agoThe provided source for every concrete figure on DS in that article is "we are confident that", "we believe" or something equivalent. How is it any better researched than any other article with a conflicting set of beliefs?
- Der_Einzige 1y agoThere are times when "just trust me bro" is okay. Semianalysis articles are one of those times. You are free to pull the contrarian "source please" shit, but the reality is that they are far more accurate at most types of GPU, Cloud, or AI analysis than almost anyone on this websites or anywhere else. Just trust them bro. Unironically.
- oefrha 1y agoWe're talking about a narrative that's affecting tens of billions of investment dollars, possibly more. I'm not gonna "trust me bro" anyone on this.
- yorwba 1y agoThen you definitely shouldn't trust the unsourced, false claim that "DeepSeek claimed to have built its base model for about 5% of the estimated cost of GPT-4." DeepSeek never claimed this.
- oefrha 1y agoYes, I don’t trust that either.
- Der_Einzige 1y agoDon't act like the ambiguity of their language wasn't intentional. It was. They on purpose worded it in the paper so that investors mass freaked out about the idea of GPT-4 for a few million while AI researchers laughed as they read the "this is only the final training run" gigantic astrik.
- saagarjha 1y agoAnd you expect a random Hacker News commenter to tell you how they're allocating their billions?
- oefrha 1y agoDon’t know what you’re talking about. I read an HN comment saying here’s a well researched article, followed the link, and found a trust-me-bro article. Where did I ask for advice from an HN commenter?
- saagarjha 1y agoYou aren't going to get non-"trust me bro" insight except by asking Sam Altman himself. I assume he has more interesting things to do with his time at the moment. Barring that, you're going to get the guy who wines and dines GPU suppliers and sees if he can connect any crumbs of information that drop.
- AustinCarrBW 1y agoThis is in the Businessweek story