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Welcome to ChromeOS 2.0

bobajeff 1y ago
Yeah that's what immediately came to mind. This must be part of their effort to merge Chrome OS into Android. On the Chrome OS side they already said are going to be replacing the kennel and other system stuff with Androids guts.
- Miraste 1y ago
  That's sad news. ChromeOS is much faster and more efficient than Android. Turning off the Android subsystem in low-end Chromebooks is a huge performance boost, even when no Android apps are open.
  - odo1242 1y ago
    To be fair, that’s likely because the Android subsystem is a virtual machine - not running multiple sets of system services / CPU emulation on a computer will make it faster pretty much universally.
    - nashashmi 1y ago
      Yup, the android vm is too much for a chrome pc unless it’s a high end device. I can’t imagine android going faster than chrome at a native level either.
    - Miraste 1y ago
      It's not just the virtualization, ChromeOS has had a lot of work put into performance. The low-end ARM Chromebooks use the same hardware as budget Android devices, and they're noticeably faster. My Android phone uses more RAM doing nothing from a fresh boot than those Chromebooks even have.
      - odo1242 1y ago
        That’s a good point actually. Windowed app performance on Android apps is especially bad since they’re not designed for it (most of my experience is on Android-x86, but window resizing performance is not great)
  - refulgentis 1y ago
    Breaks my heart (worked on Android from 2016-2023, ChromeOS was a revelation. Alas, Efficiency™. (as in salaries, not the things we build))
mdhb 1y ago
I suspect there is going to be an amalgamation between ChromeOS, Android and Fuchsia. There is heavy work underway in fuchsia currently to provide Linux kernel comparability via a subsystem they call starnix. They are already I believe looking at running a version of fuchsia in a vm on Android. Then there was also a lot of talk about the androidification of ChromeOS. It sure looks like we are moving towards some kind of cross device OS that is distinctly Google’s without Linux in the future.
- nashashmi 1y ago
  What’s the point of running fuschia on android? It should be the other way around: android vm on fuschia.
  - mdhb 1y ago
    Fuchsia as the core makes much more sense. It replaces Linux for a start and completely changes the security model to something a LOT more defendable among a bunch of other benefits.
    - refulgentis 1y ago
      I worked on Android at Google until 2023 and can 99.999% confirm for you Fuchsia, as the outside understands it is DOA. (i.e. as some sort of next gen OS, and if not that, some kernel that's on track to replace Linux in Android) Long story short is you can imagine in 2019 there was X amount of engineers, 95% on Android and 5% on what you'd call Fuchsia. The central argument up top became about why the renegade band that split off from Android/Chrome etc. to do Fuchsia in...early to mid 2010s?...and if it was going to provide a significant step forward. This became framed in terms of "$ of devices shipped", in which case, there was no contest. Funnily enough this very article is about N dominos down from there (de-investment in Fuchsia, defenestration of head software guy of Android/Chrome/Chrome OS etc., ex. Moto hardware guy is in charge now) Don't read this comment too closely, I was not in the room. For example, I have absolutely no actual quotes, or relayed quotes, to 100% confirm some set of individuals became focused on # of devices shipped. Just obsessive enough to track wtf was going on, and on big enough projects, and trustworthy and hard working, and clearly without party or clique, such that I could get good info when asked, as it was clear my only concern was making things that were good and making sure all of Google's products could be part of that story.

Yeah that's what immediately came to mind. This must be part of their effort to merge Chrome OS into Android. On the Chrome OS side they already said are going to be replacing the kennel and other system stuff with Androids guts.

Miraste 1y ago
That's sad news. ChromeOS is much faster and more efficient than Android. Turning off the Android subsystem in low-end Chromebooks is a huge performance boost, even when no Android apps are open.
- odo1242 1y ago
  To be fair, that’s likely because the Android subsystem is a virtual machine - not running multiple sets of system services / CPU emulation on a computer will make it faster pretty much universally.
  - nashashmi 1y ago
    Yup, the android vm is too much for a chrome pc unless it’s a high end device. I can’t imagine android going faster than chrome at a native level either.
  - Miraste 1y ago
    It's not just the virtualization, ChromeOS has had a lot of work put into performance. The low-end ARM Chromebooks use the same hardware as budget Android devices, and they're noticeably faster. My Android phone uses more RAM doing nothing from a fresh boot than those Chromebooks even have.
    - odo1242 1y ago
      That’s a good point actually. Windowed app performance on Android apps is especially bad since they’re not designed for it (most of my experience is on Android-x86, but window resizing performance is not great)
- refulgentis 1y ago
  Breaks my heart (worked on Android from 2016-2023, ChromeOS was a revelation. Alas, Efficiency™. (as in salaries, not the things we build))

mdhb 1y ago

I suspect there is going to be an amalgamation between ChromeOS, Android and Fuchsia. There is heavy work underway in fuchsia currently to provide Linux kernel comparability via a subsystem they call starnix. They are already I believe looking at running a version of fuchsia in a vm on Android. Then there was also a lot of talk about the androidification of ChromeOS. It sure looks like we are moving towards some kind of cross device OS that is distinctly Google’s without Linux in the future.

nashashmi 1y ago
What’s the point of running fuschia on android? It should be the other way around: android vm on fuschia.
- mdhb 1y ago
  Fuchsia as the core makes much more sense. It replaces Linux for a start and completely changes the security model to something a LOT more defendable among a bunch of other benefits.
  - refulgentis 1y ago
    I worked on Android at Google until 2023 and can 99.999% confirm for you Fuchsia, as the outside understands it is DOA. (i.e. as some sort of next gen OS, and if not that, some kernel that's on track to replace Linux in Android) Long story short is you can imagine in 2019 there was X amount of engineers, 95% on Android and 5% on what you'd call Fuchsia. The central argument up top became about why the renegade band that split off from Android/Chrome etc. to do Fuchsia in...early to mid 2010s?...and if it was going to provide a significant step forward. This became framed in terms of "$ of devices shipped", in which case, there was no contest. Funnily enough this very article is about N dominos down from there (de-investment in Fuchsia, defenestration of head software guy of Android/Chrome/Chrome OS etc., ex. Moto hardware guy is in charge now) Don't read this comment too closely, I was not in the room. For example, I have absolutely no actual quotes, or relayed quotes, to 100% confirm some set of individuals became focused on # of devices shipped. Just obsessive enough to track wtf was going on, and on big enough projects, and trustworthy and hard working, and clearly without party or clique, such that I could get good info when asked, as it was clear my only concern was making things that were good and making sure all of Google's products could be part of that story.