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Didn't Florida suggest using mining waste for road construction ... the kicker being that it's mildly radioactive?

amarcheschi 1y ago
Radioactive asphalt particles keep your lungs trained because otherwise they would get so lazy and stop working properly /s
matkoniecz 1y ago
How mildly? Background radiation is a thing. Granite and bananas are a tiny bit more radioactive than typical things, without making them dangerous.
- roenxi 1y ago
  I have absolutely no idea, but it is in interesting question and until someone more cluey can chime in a quick search suggests: - Florida is using photogypsum - https://www.ijpr.org/npr-news/2023-06-30/florida-moves-forward-on-radioactive-road-paving-plan-as-gov-desantis-signs-new-law https://www.ijpr.org/npr-news/2023-06-30/florida-moves-forwa... - Photogypsum in the US is banned if it radiates at >0.4 Bq/g of 226 Ra. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphogypsum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphogypsum - Granite radiates at maybe 450 Bq/kg -> 0.45 Bq/g of 226 Ra. https://www.nature.com/articles/jes200944 https://www.nature.com/articles/jes200944 So it looks like we're dealing with pretty standard rock. If this stuff was going to be banned without special permitting it is probably a little more risky than a granite kitchen-top counter if someone goes and sits on the road all day. Although this all raises the question of whether granite should be legal as a building material given that people get twitchy about this stuff - I doubt anyone can prove that granite is safe in this context.
  - generic92034 1y ago
    Maybe abrasion creating dust to be inhaled by humans makes the difference here.
    - ben_w 1y ago
      I expect it to — roads wear down and need resurfacing often enough, and that stuff has to go somewhere, either into the air as dust or dissolved in the rain and run off into the soil.
    - roenxi 1y ago
      It's plausible, but I think the experience thus far is any dust in the lungs is a health risk. Asbestos will not be soon forgotten. I'd be more worried about testing phosphogypsum's mechanical properties before anyone starts testing the radioactive ones. And danger relative to tyre rubber; although that has probably already been studied somewhere since it is an obvious thing to check.
- HPsquared 1y ago
  Background radiation isn't the same as breathing in dust.
  - matkoniecz 1y ago
    If this dust is as radioactive as granite dust then its radioactivity is likely not a problem. (breathing in that dust may be a problem despite radioactivity itself not being an issue) Or maybe I am wrong and breathing in granite dust is more dangerous as it is more radioactive than some other stones? It is 10 000 times more radioactive - then it likely is a problem. The question is which one applies. Typical bananas are not dangerously radioactive despite being unusually radioactive for a food product.
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PicassoCTs 1y ago
The problem there is- that rubber friction, brings little particles from the road into the air- and you then inhale it. Ingestion and inhalation makes even alpha particles more dangerous. Of course it would be mainly for those living near the roads.
lobotomizer 1y ago
Don't know about Florida but oil & gas companies in Pennsylvania regularly dump toxic waste on public roads. > A Grist review of records from 2019 to 2023 found that oil and gas producers submitted more than 3,000 reports of wastewater dumping to the state Department of Environmental Protection, or DEP. In total, they reported spraying nearly 2.4 million gallons of wastewater on Pennsylvania roads. This number is likely a vast undercount: About 86 percent of Pennsylvania’s smaller oil and gas drillers did not report how they disposed of their waste in 2023. https://grist.org/regulation/roadspreading-pennsylvania-fracking-waste/ https://grist.org/regulation/roadspreading-pennsylvania-frac...

Radioactive asphalt particles keep your lungs trained because otherwise they would get so lazy and stop working properly /s

matkoniecz 1y ago

How mildly? Background radiation is a thing. Granite and bananas are a tiny bit more radioactive than typical things, without making them dangerous.

roenxi 1y ago
I have absolutely no idea, but it is in interesting question and until someone more cluey can chime in a quick search suggests: - Florida is using photogypsum - https://www.ijpr.org/npr-news/2023-06-30/florida-moves-forward-on-radioactive-road-paving-plan-as-gov-desantis-signs-new-law https://www.ijpr.org/npr-news/2023-06-30/florida-moves-forwa... - Photogypsum in the US is banned if it radiates at >0.4 Bq/g of 226 Ra. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphogypsum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphogypsum - Granite radiates at maybe 450 Bq/kg -> 0.45 Bq/g of 226 Ra. https://www.nature.com/articles/jes200944 https://www.nature.com/articles/jes200944 So it looks like we're dealing with pretty standard rock. If this stuff was going to be banned without special permitting it is probably a little more risky than a granite kitchen-top counter if someone goes and sits on the road all day. Although this all raises the question of whether granite should be legal as a building material given that people get twitchy about this stuff - I doubt anyone can prove that granite is safe in this context.
- generic92034 1y ago
  Maybe abrasion creating dust to be inhaled by humans makes the difference here.
  - ben_w 1y ago
    I expect it to — roads wear down and need resurfacing often enough, and that stuff has to go somewhere, either into the air as dust or dissolved in the rain and run off into the soil.
  - roenxi 1y ago
    It's plausible, but I think the experience thus far is any dust in the lungs is a health risk. Asbestos will not be soon forgotten. I'd be more worried about testing phosphogypsum's mechanical properties before anyone starts testing the radioactive ones. And danger relative to tyre rubber; although that has probably already been studied somewhere since it is an obvious thing to check.
HPsquared 1y ago
Background radiation isn't the same as breathing in dust.
- matkoniecz 1y ago
  If this dust is as radioactive as granite dust then its radioactivity is likely not a problem. (breathing in that dust may be a problem despite radioactivity itself not being an issue) Or maybe I am wrong and breathing in granite dust is more dangerous as it is more radioactive than some other stones? It is 10 000 times more radioactive - then it likely is a problem. The question is which one applies. Typical bananas are not dangerously radioactive despite being unusually radioactive for a food product.
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PicassoCTs 1y ago

The problem there is- that rubber friction, brings little particles from the road into the air- and you then inhale it. Ingestion and inhalation makes even alpha particles more dangerous. Of course it would be mainly for those living near the roads.

lobotomizer 1y ago

Don't know about Florida but oil & gas companies in Pennsylvania regularly dump toxic waste on public roads. > A Grist review of records from 2019 to 2023 found that oil and gas producers submitted more than 3,000 reports of wastewater dumping to the state Department of Environmental Protection, or DEP. In total, they reported spraying nearly 2.4 million gallons of wastewater on Pennsylvania roads. This number is likely a vast undercount: About 86 percent of Pennsylvania’s smaller oil and gas drillers did not report how they disposed of their waste in 2023. https://grist.org/regulation/roadspreading-pennsylvania-fracking-waste/ https://grist.org/regulation/roadspreading-pennsylvania-frac...