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Should be obvious that whatever AI does, people are capable and resilient enough to naturally respond to it for everyone's benefit. It's just what people do. Th

by vFunct 1y ago

Should be obvious that whatever AI does, people are capable and resilient enough to naturally respond to it for everyone's benefit. It's just what people do. They don't sit around doing nothing because AI took their job- they'll figure out something else, to fill a new hole in the economy. Moore's law applies to people's productivity as well, not just transistors on a chip.

dragonwriter 1y ago
> Should be obvious that whatever AI does, people are capable and resilient enough to naturally respond to it for everyone's benefit. It's just what people do. It's not “just what people do” in some kind of simple, automatic, no-conscious-action-required sense, it’s a difficult process that often requires violent conflict between those empowered by the new development and those they exploit (that was certainly the case after the Industrial Revolution), a major part of which is people looking for and publicly calling out the problems.
- delusional 1y ago
  It's like 80 years happen and people forget that we go to war in our own countries as well. Conflict is not just something that happens in the middle-east. The stability has to be cherished and nurtured.
- vFunct 1y ago
  Yah the Industrial Revolution wasn't a direct cause of any war. There are zero wars that are a result of economic efficiency. And, no, colonialism isn't economic efficiency. Economic efficiency is a very specific thing. It doesn't mean "whatever unfair thing I don't like".
  - achierius 1y ago
    Really? None of the British invasions of the African interior would have been possible without industrialized. "We've got the Maxim gun and they've..." etc. People died, societies were conquered -- you might not consider those to qualify as wars, but the people conquered certainly did.
    - vFunct 1y ago
      Warfare exists independently of economic efficiency. Colonialism would have happened regardless of technological advancement.
      - achierius 1y ago
        This is completely false. Colonialism depended on an incredible technological and economic gap between the colonizers and the colonized. Without that gap, colonialism would not have happened -- it's as simple as that.
        bigstrat2003 1y ago
        I am not convinced that's true. Rome colonized vast swathes of the world long before the industrial revolution, without an incredible technological gap between them and the regions they conquered. It is not hard to imagine that a similar thing could have occurred with the European nations which colonized other parts of the world later on. Having a massive technology edge certainly helped a great deal, but I think that it was not necessarily required.
        delusional 1y ago
        That is an impossible point to argue. What we can say is that historically they have been linked. The Danish slave trade was, as an example, fueled by weapon technology exports to African warlords in exchange for enslaving the population they defeated. As the story goes, no Dane set foot in the african interior. We instead assisted the already warring factions with technology allowing them to subject more people to their war. I think it's hard to envision how any of this could have happened without those wars.
9283409232 1y ago
> Should be obvious that whatever AI does, people are capable and resilient enough to naturally respond to it for everyone's benefit I can't imagine how you believe this when everything says otherwise. Climate change, the oligarchs hoarding all the wealth, the collapsed middle class, widespread hunger and homelessness, the many wars, and genocides. Generally, everything points to the fact that people will not respond to changes in technology for the benefit of everybody.
- sitkack 1y ago
  I think their post was libertarian satire.
  - vFunct 1y ago
    Has there ever been a time where economic efficiency reduced the GDP instead of growing it? Same with AI.
    - 9283409232 1y ago
      GDP has nothing to do with the quality of life of your citizens. This is the same logic as people who say the market is up so the economy is good while there is rampart homelessness and no middle class. You will never see the problem while you look at people as GDP.
      - vFunct 1y ago
        It literally does. Billionaires don't exist without everyone else also becoming wealthier. It's why China was able to eliminate extreme poverty while creating hundreds of billionaires. You may think this inequality is unfair, but economics isn't concerned about inequality. Why? Because inequality doesn't matter. What only matters is poverty, and the elimination of it. And I always find it hilarious that socialists can never say "I want to eliminate poverty"
        9283409232 1y ago
dopidopHN 1y ago
I wish you interesting time!
- codpiece 1y ago
  No, don't do that. We all live in the same time. Please take it back before the Gods notice.
kmnc 1y ago
What hole will they fill if AI is already filling it? There is no knowledge based work that won’t get replaced. There is no physical based work that won’t be replaced. Sure humans can and will adapt to a post human labour world, but the process of getting there is going to be brutal without some major political paradigm shifts. If AiAccountantBot3000 makes all accountants obsolete tomorrow, what is going to happen? Nothing, except for a lot of unemployment and poor former accountants.
- vFunct 1y ago
  That's their job to figure it out, not yours.
  - achierius 1y ago
    Are you really betting that the person to replied to isn't a knowledge worker? This is HN, it's more likely than not
- Barrin92 1y ago
  >If AiAccountantBot3000 makes all accountants obsolete tomorrow, It won't. This just reflects the diminished view technologists have of work rather than any actual reality. It's a category error as absurd as asking, "what if a debugger makes programmers obsolete". 90% of being an accountant, just like 90% of being any knowledge worker has nothing to do with actual knowledge, but with mundane personal and organizational work. If you're a programmer, were you ever concerned that a smarter programmer replaces you? If you think of reasons to be fired, that's the first one? Look at the 20 most common professions in any country, if it came down to just automating their literal tasks they'd all be gone 30 years ago.

by vFunct 1y ago

dragonwriter 1y ago

> Should be obvious that whatever AI does, people are capable and resilient enough to naturally respond to it for everyone's benefit. It's just what people do. It's not “just what people do” in some kind of simple, automatic, no-conscious-action-required sense, it’s a difficult process that often requires violent conflict between those empowered by the new development and those they exploit (that was certainly the case after the Industrial Revolution), a major part of which is people looking for and publicly calling out the problems.

delusional 1y ago
It's like 80 years happen and people forget that we go to war in our own countries as well. Conflict is not just something that happens in the middle-east. The stability has to be cherished and nurtured.
vFunct 1y ago
Yah the Industrial Revolution wasn't a direct cause of any war. There are zero wars that are a result of economic efficiency. And, no, colonialism isn't economic efficiency. Economic efficiency is a very specific thing. It doesn't mean "whatever unfair thing I don't like".
- achierius 1y ago
  Really? None of the British invasions of the African interior would have been possible without industrialized. "We've got the Maxim gun and they've..." etc. People died, societies were conquered -- you might not consider those to qualify as wars, but the people conquered certainly did.
  - vFunct 1y ago
    Warfare exists independently of economic efficiency. Colonialism would have happened regardless of technological advancement.
    - achierius 1y ago
      This is completely false. Colonialism depended on an incredible technological and economic gap between the colonizers and the colonized. Without that gap, colonialism would not have happened -- it's as simple as that.
      - bigstrat2003 1y ago
        I am not convinced that's true. Rome colonized vast swathes of the world long before the industrial revolution, without an incredible technological gap between them and the regions they conquered. It is not hard to imagine that a similar thing could have occurred with the European nations which colonized other parts of the world later on. Having a massive technology edge certainly helped a great deal, but I think that it was not necessarily required.
        delusional 1y ago
        That is an impossible point to argue. What we can say is that historically they have been linked. The Danish slave trade was, as an example, fueled by weapon technology exports to African warlords in exchange for enslaving the population they defeated. As the story goes, no Dane set foot in the african interior. We instead assisted the already warring factions with technology allowing them to subject more people to their war. I think it's hard to envision how any of this could have happened without those wars.

9283409232 1y ago

> Should be obvious that whatever AI does, people are capable and resilient enough to naturally respond to it for everyone's benefit I can't imagine how you believe this when everything says otherwise. Climate change, the oligarchs hoarding all the wealth, the collapsed middle class, widespread hunger and homelessness, the many wars, and genocides. Generally, everything points to the fact that people will not respond to changes in technology for the benefit of everybody.

sitkack 1y ago
I think their post was libertarian satire.
- vFunct 1y ago
  Has there ever been a time where economic efficiency reduced the GDP instead of growing it? Same with AI.
  - 9283409232 1y ago
    GDP has nothing to do with the quality of life of your citizens. This is the same logic as people who say the market is up so the economy is good while there is rampart homelessness and no middle class. You will never see the problem while you look at people as GDP.
    - vFunct 1y ago
      It literally does. Billionaires don't exist without everyone else also becoming wealthier. It's why China was able to eliminate extreme poverty while creating hundreds of billionaires. You may think this inequality is unfair, but economics isn't concerned about inequality. Why? Because inequality doesn't matter. What only matters is poverty, and the elimination of it. And I always find it hilarious that socialists can never say "I want to eliminate poverty"
      - 9283409232 1y ago

dopidopHN 1y ago

I wish you interesting time!

codpiece 1y ago
No, don't do that. We all live in the same time. Please take it back before the Gods notice.

kmnc 1y ago

What hole will they fill if AI is already filling it? There is no knowledge based work that won’t get replaced. There is no physical based work that won’t be replaced. Sure humans can and will adapt to a post human labour world, but the process of getting there is going to be brutal without some major political paradigm shifts. If AiAccountantBot3000 makes all accountants obsolete tomorrow, what is going to happen? Nothing, except for a lot of unemployment and poor former accountants.

vFunct 1y ago
That's their job to figure it out, not yours.
- achierius 1y ago
  Are you really betting that the person to replied to isn't a knowledge worker? This is HN, it's more likely than not
Barrin92 1y ago
>If AiAccountantBot3000 makes all accountants obsolete tomorrow, It won't. This just reflects the diminished view technologists have of work rather than any actual reality. It's a category error as absurd as asking, "what if a debugger makes programmers obsolete". 90% of being an accountant, just like 90% of being any knowledge worker has nothing to do with actual knowledge, but with mundane personal and organizational work. If you're a programmer, were you ever concerned that a smarter programmer replaces you? If you think of reasons to be fired, that's the first one? Look at the 20 most common professions in any country, if it came down to just automating their literal tasks they'd all be gone 30 years ago.