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I just got an email this morning from ARACE, one of the main suppliers of Radxa boards for global shipping. I ordered their Orion O6 Mini ITX board back in Dec

I just got an email this morning from ARACE, one of the main suppliers of Radxa boards for global shipping. I ordered their Orion O6 Mini ITX board back in December, for $430.49 total ($85 shipping). The email this morning said they had to cancel all un-shipped orders, and I could re-order and prepay the tariff through 4XL (they dropped DHL and FedEx due to tariff complications). I put the board in my cart, and now the total is $1500.90 ($1,150 in shipping). I'm happy to pay for the actual cost of shipping a single item across an entire ocean, but maybe that increase is a bit much...

Terr_ 1y ago
> I'm happy to pay for the actual cost of shipping a single item across an entire ocean, but maybe that increase is a bit much... The Import-ant thing (heh) is that the additional money you must pay is not going to the manufacturer or the shipper. It won't be improving working-conditions of foreign sweatshop laborers, or upgrading cargo ships to reduce pollution, etc. Instead, it's going to a US government official that basically seizes goods crossing the border who won't give them back without a payment., Worse: These higher import-taxes all US companies and consumers are being made to pay will probably go towards the benefit of... lowering what rich Americans pay on their personal income taxes.
- collingreen 1y ago
  This made me wonder what the tariffs will do to private jets and if the 100% write off for them just includes everything or if there is more nuance there.
  - generj 1y ago
    I’ve heard private jets goers barely get bothered with customs - I’m curious how much smuggling starts happening via them.
    - dylan604 1y ago
      starts? Might I introduce you to the story of Barry Seal? https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3532216/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0_tt_8_nm_0_in_0_q_american%2520made https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3532216/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0_tt_8...
  - Symbiote 1y ago
    The jets can be registered somewhere else (Bermuda, Cayman Islands, Aruba, Isle of Man) and thus never officially imported into the USA. e.g. https://www.occrp.org/en/investigation/tax-rules-for-the-super-rich-make-the-isle-of-man-a-haven-for-private-jets https://www.occrp.org/en/investigation/tax-rules-for-the-sup...
    - collingreen 1y ago
      Genius!
    - nunez 1y ago
      Same as yachts and big ships.
  - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
    No. I live in a wealthy Wyoming town. We already have runners who will bring tax-free construction materials in from Canada and Mexico (or hell, in undeclared cargo, idk) for cash. This is how life works in high-tax states like Greece and India.
- geerlingguy 1y ago
  My point is less about where the money goes and more about not subsidizing cheap Chinese shipping. I don't think I should be able to order a little plastic trinket for $10 shipped direct from China, when just shipping the same thing inside the US costs $10+!
  - vntok 1y ago
    Why not? The trinket was made in China in the first place, so it had to already cost some amount to import into the US + some amount to ship to you + some amount to the reseller. Skipping the reseller saves you money and pollutes the environnement less.
    - vel0city 1y ago
      They're talking about just the postage cost being $10. Even for something that is produced domestically. Postage to mail something >1,000mi: pennies. Postage to mail something across town: $10. You think that makes sense?
      - tayo42 1y ago
        Yes becasue it'll go on an airplane and make it in under a day. Also economies of scale will apply.Traveling through continents like Asia is just cheaper in general too.
        vel0city 1y ago
        I'm not talking about overnight postage; I'm talking standard 3 or 4 day ground. It ends up on the same trucks after it clears the port. There's no choice of postage that makes it cost less to mail something I made in my own home to my family 300mi away (no matter how long I choose it to be) than to ship the same kind of thing from China within a week. In fact, I've often found it just cheaper to buy a new item with their home be the shipping address than mail the thing I already have to them. Once again, tell me how that makes any goddamn sense. https://pe.usps.com/text/dmm300/Notice123.htm#_c450 https://pe.usps.com/text/dmm300/Notice123.htm#_c450 You should really research UPU rules.
duxup 1y ago
I think the pay up front thing makes sense. Nobody knows who is going to actually pay / what the volume will be at the new tariff/tax point and the businesses need to find out fast / up front.
tim333 1y ago
In a lot of developing countries with high tariffs people end up going abroad to buy stuff and bring it back in their luggage as used of not much value. Like in Vietnam a lot of people would visit Singapore. It's funny seeing the US in that position. Maybe you'll have to visit a friend in Canada or Mexico?
- recursivecaveat 1y ago
  De-minimis changes may make that hard, but recently I learned that there is actually an official Volvo program to create such a tariff-dodge on cars: https://www.volvocars.com/us/l/osd-tourist/ https://www.volvocars.com/us/l/osd-tourist/ Fly you in, have you drive the car just enough that is your 'used' property, import.

Terr_ 1y ago

> I'm happy to pay for the actual cost of shipping a single item across an entire ocean, but maybe that increase is a bit much... The Import-ant thing (heh) is that the additional money you must pay is not going to the manufacturer or the shipper. It won't be improving working-conditions of foreign sweatshop laborers, or upgrading cargo ships to reduce pollution, etc. Instead, it's going to a US government official that basically seizes goods crossing the border who won't give them back without a payment., Worse: These higher import-taxes all US companies and consumers are being made to pay will probably go towards the benefit of... lowering what rich Americans pay on their personal income taxes.

collingreen 1y ago
This made me wonder what the tariffs will do to private jets and if the 100% write off for them just includes everything or if there is more nuance there.
- generj 1y ago
  I’ve heard private jets goers barely get bothered with customs - I’m curious how much smuggling starts happening via them.
  - dylan604 1y ago
    starts? Might I introduce you to the story of Barry Seal? https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3532216/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0_tt_8_nm_0_in_0_q_american%2520made https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3532216/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0_tt_8...
- Symbiote 1y ago
  The jets can be registered somewhere else (Bermuda, Cayman Islands, Aruba, Isle of Man) and thus never officially imported into the USA. e.g. https://www.occrp.org/en/investigation/tax-rules-for-the-super-rich-make-the-isle-of-man-a-haven-for-private-jets https://www.occrp.org/en/investigation/tax-rules-for-the-sup...
  - collingreen 1y ago
    Genius!
  - nunez 1y ago
    Same as yachts and big ships.
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago
  No. I live in a wealthy Wyoming town. We already have runners who will bring tax-free construction materials in from Canada and Mexico (or hell, in undeclared cargo, idk) for cash. This is how life works in high-tax states like Greece and India.
geerlingguy 1y ago
My point is less about where the money goes and more about not subsidizing cheap Chinese shipping. I don't think I should be able to order a little plastic trinket for $10 shipped direct from China, when just shipping the same thing inside the US costs $10+!
- vntok 1y ago
  Why not? The trinket was made in China in the first place, so it had to already cost some amount to import into the US + some amount to ship to you + some amount to the reseller. Skipping the reseller saves you money and pollutes the environnement less.
  - vel0city 1y ago
    They're talking about just the postage cost being $10. Even for something that is produced domestically. Postage to mail something >1,000mi: pennies. Postage to mail something across town: $10. You think that makes sense?
    - tayo42 1y ago
      Yes becasue it'll go on an airplane and make it in under a day. Also economies of scale will apply.Traveling through continents like Asia is just cheaper in general too.
      - vel0city 1y ago
        I'm not talking about overnight postage; I'm talking standard 3 or 4 day ground. It ends up on the same trucks after it clears the port. There's no choice of postage that makes it cost less to mail something I made in my own home to my family 300mi away (no matter how long I choose it to be) than to ship the same kind of thing from China within a week. In fact, I've often found it just cheaper to buy a new item with their home be the shipping address than mail the thing I already have to them. Once again, tell me how that makes any goddamn sense. https://pe.usps.com/text/dmm300/Notice123.htm#_c450 https://pe.usps.com/text/dmm300/Notice123.htm#_c450 You should really research UPU rules.

duxup 1y ago

I think the pay up front thing makes sense. Nobody knows who is going to actually pay / what the volume will be at the new tariff/tax point and the businesses need to find out fast / up front.

tim333 1y ago

In a lot of developing countries with high tariffs people end up going abroad to buy stuff and bring it back in their luggage as used of not much value. Like in Vietnam a lot of people would visit Singapore. It's funny seeing the US in that position. Maybe you'll have to visit a friend in Canada or Mexico?

recursivecaveat 1y ago
De-minimis changes may make that hard, but recently I learned that there is actually an official Volvo program to create such a tariff-dodge on cars: https://www.volvocars.com/us/l/osd-tourist/ https://www.volvocars.com/us/l/osd-tourist/ Fly you in, have you drive the car just enough that is your 'used' property, import.