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Too bad they did not go with Linux, but like M/S and Apple I guess the want to "protect" their users. But it does look interesting and they probably have a hug

by jmclnx 1y ago

Too bad they did not go with Linux, but like M/S and Apple I guess the want to "protect" their users. But it does look interesting and they probably have a huge worldwide market that the US is now locking themselves out of.

coliveira 1y ago
You said correctly, the US is locking itself out of this market. Huawei would have no incentive to create a new OS if it wasn't for crazy laws shutting them off the market. Now, Chinese business that live in the Huawei ecosystem have a great incentive to at least give a try to this new OS.
suraci 1y ago
i can still remember that the Linux community blocked Russians from maintaining the Linux kernel i guess they were "protect"ing their users :) Additionally, I have always been curious to know whether the U.S. export ban applies to Linux and any other open source projects
- dismalaf 1y ago
  > Additionally, I have always been curious to know whether the U.S. export ban applies to Linux and any other open source projects It does, the Linux kernel maintainers eventually said that's the reason for banning Russian maintainers.
  - aleph_minus_one 1y ago
    > It does, the Linux kernel maintainers eventually said that's the reason for banning Russian maintainers. As craftkiller interline in a sibling post (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43927430 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43927430): would this not rather imply that you should ban US-American maintainers (at least on some subsystems)? If Russian maintainers write some Linux kernel code, this will cause no problem for a US export ban. On the other hand, if US-American maintainer does, it might.
    - comex 1y ago
      According to Linus, “the ‘various compliance requirements’ are not just a US thing”: https://lore.kernel.org/all/CAHk-=whNGNVnYHHSXUAsWds_MoZ-iEgRMQMxZZ0z-jY4uHT+Gg@mail.gmail.com/ https://lore.kernel.org/all/CAHk-=whNGNVnYHHSXUAsWds_MoZ-iEg... I do not know the details myself.
  - SahAssar 1y ago
    How does that even work? By definition the code is "exported" to every country since it is open source. It could be argued that you could ban imports from russia by not allowing them to contribute code, but an export ban is basically impossible.
    - dismalaf 1y ago
      You can't control where the code goes but you can sanction organizations for working with sanctioned orgs/individuals.
      - deleted 1y ago
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      - dragonelite 1y ago
        Given that US big tech funds a lot of orgs they will always have a big stake. One could for example filibuster certain Chinese or Russian features/proposals etc for a long time. Or at the last minute vote to do a 180% on a design proposals so US Rival have to redo an implementation. Standard office politics shit.
- simion314 1y ago
  It seems they were following the sanctions, plenty of Russians that are not Zed patriots that left Ruzzia and they can freely work.
- craftkiller 1y ago
  The OpenBSD project at least believes that the US restrictions on the export of cryptography would have impacted them. Its why they banned US developers working on cryptography long ago. > Of course, our project needs people to work on these systems. If any non-American cryptographer who meets the constraints listed earlier is interested in helping out with embedded cryptography in OpenBSD, please contact us. https://www.openbsd.org/crypto.html https://www.openbsd.org/crypto.html
severino 1y ago
Well, coincidentally, I read this news a couple of days ago about some new laptop offering by Huawei running Linux https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2025/05/huawei-matebook-x-pro-2024-linux-edition-goes-on-sale https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2025/05/huawei-matebook-x-pro-20...
- dragonelite 1y ago
  Huawei always had good linux support on their Matebook series. Was pleasently surprised when i tried to run linux on the Matebook x Pro.
mensetmanusman 1y ago
China blocked the US out of the software market on many fronts. Good for them, it helped them make software a part of their economy unlike the EU.
joshuaissac 1y ago
> Too bad they did not go with Linux The initial smartphone version of HarmonyOS 2 from a few years ago was just an Android reskin,[1] despite claims to the contrary from Huwaei, and unlike HarmonyOS 1 for IoT devices. It remains to be seen if HarmonyOS for PC really is an independent OS, a fork or a reskin/distro of an existing OS. 1. https://www.techspot.com/news/88512-huawei-harmonyos-20-poorly-disguised-android-10-clone.html https://www.techspot.com/news/88512-huawei-harmonyos-20-poor...
- klinki 1y ago
  No version of HarmonyOS has ever been an Android reskin. HarmonyOS has always had an Android compatibility layer. HarmonyOS "NEXT" removes that compatibility layer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AI5MzXmJVYQ&pp=ygUWaGFybW9ueW9zIG5leHQgUSBhbmQgQQ%3D%3D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AI5MzXmJVYQ&pp=ygUWaGFybW9ue...
hulitu 1y ago
> Too bad they did not go with Linux, TBH, Linux is nowadays too bloated to be taken as a reference. The BSDs look more promising as a starting point.
Ekaros 1y ago
I think it is good that there is development that goes beyond tired Windows and Unix-like operating systems. We need more serious operating system architectures not less.

by jmclnx 1y ago

coliveira 1y ago

You said correctly, the US is locking itself out of this market. Huawei would have no incentive to create a new OS if it wasn't for crazy laws shutting them off the market. Now, Chinese business that live in the Huawei ecosystem have a great incentive to at least give a try to this new OS.

suraci 1y ago

i can still remember that the Linux community blocked Russians from maintaining the Linux kernel i guess they were "protect"ing their users :) Additionally, I have always been curious to know whether the U.S. export ban applies to Linux and any other open source projects

dismalaf 1y ago
> Additionally, I have always been curious to know whether the U.S. export ban applies to Linux and any other open source projects It does, the Linux kernel maintainers eventually said that's the reason for banning Russian maintainers.
- aleph_minus_one 1y ago
  > It does, the Linux kernel maintainers eventually said that's the reason for banning Russian maintainers. As craftkiller interline in a sibling post (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43927430 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43927430): would this not rather imply that you should ban US-American maintainers (at least on some subsystems)? If Russian maintainers write some Linux kernel code, this will cause no problem for a US export ban. On the other hand, if US-American maintainer does, it might.
  - comex 1y ago
    According to Linus, “the ‘various compliance requirements’ are not just a US thing”: https://lore.kernel.org/all/CAHk-=whNGNVnYHHSXUAsWds_MoZ-iEgRMQMxZZ0z-jY4uHT+Gg@mail.gmail.com/ https://lore.kernel.org/all/CAHk-=whNGNVnYHHSXUAsWds_MoZ-iEg... I do not know the details myself.
- SahAssar 1y ago
  How does that even work? By definition the code is "exported" to every country since it is open source. It could be argued that you could ban imports from russia by not allowing them to contribute code, but an export ban is basically impossible.
  - dismalaf 1y ago
    You can't control where the code goes but you can sanction organizations for working with sanctioned orgs/individuals.
    - deleted 1y ago
      [deleted]
    - dragonelite 1y ago
      Given that US big tech funds a lot of orgs they will always have a big stake. One could for example filibuster certain Chinese or Russian features/proposals etc for a long time. Or at the last minute vote to do a 180% on a design proposals so US Rival have to redo an implementation. Standard office politics shit.
simion314 1y ago
It seems they were following the sanctions, plenty of Russians that are not Zed patriots that left Ruzzia and they can freely work.
craftkiller 1y ago
The OpenBSD project at least believes that the US restrictions on the export of cryptography would have impacted them. Its why they banned US developers working on cryptography long ago. > Of course, our project needs people to work on these systems. If any non-American cryptographer who meets the constraints listed earlier is interested in helping out with embedded cryptography in OpenBSD, please contact us. https://www.openbsd.org/crypto.html https://www.openbsd.org/crypto.html

severino 1y ago

Well, coincidentally, I read this news a couple of days ago about some new laptop offering by Huawei running Linux https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2025/05/huawei-matebook-x-pro-2024-linux-edition-goes-on-sale https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2025/05/huawei-matebook-x-pro-20...

dragonelite 1y ago
Huawei always had good linux support on their Matebook series. Was pleasently surprised when i tried to run linux on the Matebook x Pro.

mensetmanusman 1y ago

China blocked the US out of the software market on many fronts. Good for them, it helped them make software a part of their economy unlike the EU.

joshuaissac 1y ago

> Too bad they did not go with Linux The initial smartphone version of HarmonyOS 2 from a few years ago was just an Android reskin,[1] despite claims to the contrary from Huwaei, and unlike HarmonyOS 1 for IoT devices. It remains to be seen if HarmonyOS for PC really is an independent OS, a fork or a reskin/distro of an existing OS. 1. https://www.techspot.com/news/88512-huawei-harmonyos-20-poorly-disguised-android-10-clone.html https://www.techspot.com/news/88512-huawei-harmonyos-20-poor...

klinki 1y ago
No version of HarmonyOS has ever been an Android reskin. HarmonyOS has always had an Android compatibility layer. HarmonyOS "NEXT" removes that compatibility layer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AI5MzXmJVYQ&pp=ygUWaGFybW9ueW9zIG5leHQgUSBhbmQgQQ%3D%3D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AI5MzXmJVYQ&pp=ygUWaGFybW9ue...

hulitu 1y ago

> Too bad they did not go with Linux, TBH, Linux is nowadays too bloated to be taken as a reference. The BSDs look more promising as a starting point.

Ekaros 1y ago

I think it is good that there is development that goes beyond tired Windows and Unix-like operating systems. We need more serious operating system architectures not less.