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Initial adjusting to a calorie limited diet is hard. Especially in a world where we are constantly bombarded my messaged specifically designed to trigger us to

Initial adjusting to a calorie limited diet is hard. Especially in a world where we are constantly bombarded my messaged specifically designed to trigger us to crave something and then buy it. But after an initial period or cravings and digestive unrest, the body adjusts to the new reduced calorie- or new food regimen- and you no longer feel hungry or have stomach upset. We already have built-in "ozympic" functions- we just need to manually activate them. These drugs really do help some special cases, I don't deny that, but the fact the broad population have access to these drugs is not a natural state. We have no idea what the long-term effects will be. Long-term artifically induced effects of illness will eventually cause problems- erosive esophagitis and hemorrhoids are two examples- that have long-term health implications. Better to bite the bullet, if you have the ability, simply reduce your input, focus on foods that last longer in the digestive tract (whole plant foods), giving us fewer or more moderate glucose spikes, less craving and hunger later. Easier transition.

crooked-v 1y ago
The worry about possible long term effects is legitimate (but not very significant, considering these drugs have been in use for quite a while for other purposes) But, "it's not natural" complaints are, frankly, bullshit. Nothing about how humans live today is "natural" and we're better off for it. > We already have built-in "ozympic" functions The drug works by literally making it mentally easier to eat less. It's caffeine for discipline instead of energy. There's no "built-in" that works like that.
- wcfields 1y ago
  > natural Yeah, "natural" would be living in constant fight-or-flight fear from being eaten and/or attacked by a neighboring tribe. Probably always quasi-starving and having low-level diarrhea from eating scavenged rancid food and dying before your 28th birthday.
SpicyLemonZest 1y ago
> But after an initial period or cravings and digestive unrest, the body adjusts to the new reduced calorie- or new food regimen- and you no longer feel hungry or have stomach upset. I don't think there's any evidence that this is actually the case.
jklinger410 1y ago
Heart disease and obesity are among the highest causes of mortality in the United States. This idea that everyone would be better off "biting the bullet" does not play out in reality. Unless you are going to magically fix our food supply and reign in the economic incentives for selling garbage food, chemically induced weight loss is still a better option. Making people sick and selling them the cure is a sanctioned part of American Capitalism. Making it illegal to do such things is demonized as socialism. Telling people they are individually responsible for fighting a system designed to make them fat and then die might make you feel good and correct, but it's doing fuck all to solve the issue. All is working as intended by the ghouls who drive policy that is friendly to the economy. Turning the entire country into one slow motion concentration camp.
simple10 1y ago
I've been tracking the weight loss industry for years through biohacking communities. Weight Watchers has been on a steady decline for a long time. From what I can tell, the biggest issue was regaining weight after stopping counting calories. Services like Noom likely ate a big chunk of their market share since they focus on underlying habits and mental health issues to make the transformation more sustainable. Weight Watchers also had a very old school MLM vibe that made it hard to attract younger generations. I'm kinda surprised they lasted this long.
abirch 1y ago
I've lost a significant amount of weight using the Obesity Code: https://www.doctorjasonfung.com/the-obesity-code https://www.doctorjasonfung.com/the-obesity-code it focuses on increasing our insulin sensitivity and reducing the overall levels of insulin in our bodies. He focuses on not counting calories but instead focusing on eating real food (no processed stuff and avoiding sugar). He uses the the example of 100 calories of sugar does not impact our body the same as 100 calories of olive oil. This is a prime example of the McNamara Fallacy. Here's a video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgmFEb0b0TI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgmFEb0b0TI I'm a fan of weightloss in general, be it ozympic style or not; however, if you can do it naturally it's more cost effective. Dr Fung focuses on when you eat (intermittent fasting) and what you eat (avoid processed foods)
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JumpCrisscross 1y ago
> We have no idea what the long-term effects will be Obesity kills before those long-term effects become relevant.
justthisone4 1y ago
This was my personal experience. I was hungry for a few weeks while transitioning to a daily 15-16 hour, but now only get hungry right before meal time. I try not to eat or drink anything with more than 10 calories while "fasting", so mostly just drink water.

crooked-v 1y ago

The worry about possible long term effects is legitimate (but not very significant, considering these drugs have been in use for quite a while for other purposes) But, "it's not natural" complaints are, frankly, bullshit. Nothing about how humans live today is "natural" and we're better off for it. > We already have built-in "ozympic" functions The drug works by literally making it mentally easier to eat less. It's caffeine for discipline instead of energy. There's no "built-in" that works like that.

wcfields 1y ago
> natural Yeah, "natural" would be living in constant fight-or-flight fear from being eaten and/or attacked by a neighboring tribe. Probably always quasi-starving and having low-level diarrhea from eating scavenged rancid food and dying before your 28th birthday.

SpicyLemonZest 1y ago

> But after an initial period or cravings and digestive unrest, the body adjusts to the new reduced calorie- or new food regimen- and you no longer feel hungry or have stomach upset. I don't think there's any evidence that this is actually the case.

jklinger410 1y ago

Heart disease and obesity are among the highest causes of mortality in the United States. This idea that everyone would be better off "biting the bullet" does not play out in reality. Unless you are going to magically fix our food supply and reign in the economic incentives for selling garbage food, chemically induced weight loss is still a better option. Making people sick and selling them the cure is a sanctioned part of American Capitalism. Making it illegal to do such things is demonized as socialism. Telling people they are individually responsible for fighting a system designed to make them fat and then die might make you feel good and correct, but it's doing fuck all to solve the issue. All is working as intended by the ghouls who drive policy that is friendly to the economy. Turning the entire country into one slow motion concentration camp.

simple10 1y ago

I've been tracking the weight loss industry for years through biohacking communities. Weight Watchers has been on a steady decline for a long time. From what I can tell, the biggest issue was regaining weight after stopping counting calories. Services like Noom likely ate a big chunk of their market share since they focus on underlying habits and mental health issues to make the transformation more sustainable. Weight Watchers also had a very old school MLM vibe that made it hard to attract younger generations. I'm kinda surprised they lasted this long.

abirch 1y ago

I've lost a significant amount of weight using the Obesity Code: https://www.doctorjasonfung.com/the-obesity-code https://www.doctorjasonfung.com/the-obesity-code it focuses on increasing our insulin sensitivity and reducing the overall levels of insulin in our bodies. He focuses on not counting calories but instead focusing on eating real food (no processed stuff and avoiding sugar). He uses the the example of 100 calories of sugar does not impact our body the same as 100 calories of olive oil. This is a prime example of the McNamara Fallacy. Here's a video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgmFEb0b0TI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgmFEb0b0TI I'm a fan of weightloss in general, be it ozympic style or not; however, if you can do it naturally it's more cost effective. Dr Fung focuses on when you eat (intermittent fasting) and what you eat (avoid processed foods)

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JumpCrisscross 1y ago

> We have no idea what the long-term effects will be Obesity kills before those long-term effects become relevant.

justthisone4 1y ago

This was my personal experience. I was hungry for a few weeks while transitioning to a daily 15-16 hour, but now only get hungry right before meal time. I try not to eat or drink anything with more than 10 calories while "fasting", so mostly just drink water.