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> Energy star forces that disclosure and that's it. Incorrect. The far bigger part of the program is certification: https://www.energystar.gov/about/how-energ
by timr 1y ago
> Energy star forces that disclosure and that's it.
Incorrect. The far bigger part of the program is certification:
https://www.energystar.gov/about/how-energy-star-works/energy-star-certification https://www.energystar.gov/about/how-energy-star-works/energ...
(There's also the scoring system, though I don't know if that falls under certification.)
This is how the efficiency requirements become de facto mandates. Federal procurement, among other things, requires energy star certification. There are even mortgage discounts for energy star certified buildings.
- malfist 1y agoYou do know that energy star certification is voluntary, right? Nobody forces manufacturers to get certified, they do it because the market prefers it. Energy star does not force manufacturers to be certified. I can walk into my local appliance store and walk out with a whole kitchen full of uncertified products if I wanted too.
- snkzxbs 1y ago[flagged]
- mitthrowaway2 1y agoHow do you propose to solve the information asymmetry where customers in an appliance store can't tell how much it will cost them on their energy bill to operate each appliance?
- snkzxbs 1y agoI think looking at how much it costs to operate an appliance without looking at how well the appliance does its job is relying on incomplete information. I can make a dishwasher that costs 0 to operate but doesn’t clean the dishes. Therefore I think the whole system is flawed and useless and shouldn’t exist.
- otterley 1y agoDo you also think we should do away with mandatory fuel economy disclosures for the same reason? Information on performance is usually provided by third parties like Consumer Reports, Car and Driver, and other review services. Government provides and mandates quantitative statistics as a public service; private parties take care of the qualitative and subjective analyses (i.e., opinions).
- snkzxbs 1y agoNo, information about power of cars is widely available in the specs sheet of the car (torque, etc). Therefore there is the chance of a fair and useful comparison.
- otterley 1y agoThat suggests you would support even more mandatory disclosures from appliance manufacturers, as opposed to reducing information by killing off the Energy Star program.
- snkzxbs 1y ago[flagged]
- otterley 1y agoThat's not my experience. I have a relatively new Energy Star-rated dishwasher (KitchenAid) and it works great. The trick, as re-discovered by Technology Connections, is to take advantage of the prewash cycle and use a bit of prewash detergent along with the main wash detergent, and not use too much. Check out the discussion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHP942Livy0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHP942Livy0
- malfist 1y ago> can give good scores to dishwashers that force you to rinse all dishes That's just simply false. Read your dishwasher's manual. It'll tell you not to pre-rinse dishes.
- timr 1y agoIt’s “voluntary” except for all of the different ways it’s been written into regulations, from federal procurement all the way down to local government. But if the market prefers it, great! Do it without the need for a government bureaucracy! Organizations like Underwriters Laboratories don’t need an arm of the US government to exist.