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Free version sends telemetry with no opt-out.

bayindirh 1y ago
Yes, that one is a real bummer, actually, but if they're using something like how Go does it [0], at least it's tolerable if you're bound to using it. [0]: https://telemetry.go.dev/privacy https://telemetry.go.dev/privacy
enigma101 1y ago
just use a firewall, no?
pjmlp 1y ago
There is your price right there.
lern_too_spel 1y ago
They're probably using the telemetry to monitor commercial abuse.
- anastasiak2512 1y ago
  The telemetry is used to analyzed the most used / unused features and to improve the product. For example, it's useful to understand that some specific technology gains more popularity among users and contribute more into its support.
  - lern_too_spel 1y ago
    I have no doubt that this is the primary use. It was the only way to use that data until now. Now that there is a free offering, there is a new potential use that neatly explains why it is required in the free offering and optional otherwise.
ainiriand 1y ago
Can you give us proof of that? I have not seen anything like that in my RustRover usage but it might be that I have missed that.
- hiq 1y ago
  It's in the article: > It’s important to note that, if you’re using a non-commercial license, you cannot opt out of the collection of anonymous usage statistics.
- dardeaup 1y ago
  From the link: "It’s important to note that, if you’re using a non-commercial license, you cannot opt out of the collection of anonymous usage statistics."
pasoevi 1y ago
You can still use paid version if you want to turn telemetry off. With the free version, you can either use it and say thanks, or not use it at all.
- badsectoracula 1y ago
  Indeed, this is one of the various options one has. Another option is to not use it and be vocal against telemetry, hopefully convincing others to do the same while dissuading other developers (especially in a forum like Hacker News where people that build stuff gather) from adding it on their products.
  - pasoevi 1y ago
    I wouldn't take people seriously who are vocal against telemetry in a product which has paid version with the option to turn telemetry off. Such people would be vocal against paying for the work others do. Also, if properly anonymised, telemetry isn't the devil people make it to be.
    - badsectoracula 1y ago
      > I wouldn't take people seriously who are vocal against telemetry in a product which has paid version with the option to turn telemetry off. You are conflating two separate things, a product does not need telemetry to function and if telemetry is needed it can be opt-in. Similarly a product does not need to be free to have telemetry nor does it need to be paid to not have telemetry, as i already wrote these two are completely separate. > Such people would be vocal against paying for the work others do. Again you are conflating two completely separate things: people being concerned about the privacy implications of telemetry (both directly and indirectly, see below) and people who are against about paying others for their work. > Also, if properly anonymised, telemetry isn't the devil people make it to be. Even if anonymized (which is something you can only guarantee for open source projects that either you or someone you trust has checked they do such anonymization properly - and also you either build yourself from the source that was checked or you used a binary from a reproducible build) having telemetry in place still creates and reinforces a precedent of it being acceptable which in turn can be used to excuse other programs doing the same but those programs actually not caring about doing proper anonymization (at best) or even outright spying on you (at worst). Besides anonymized data can still be used in conjunction with other data to be deanonymized and the best way to protect users from this is to not collect that data in the first place.
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pacman1337 1y ago
couldn't we just block the traffic with /etc/hosts?
- immibis 1y ago
  Then you're presumably committing an actual crime, or at least, their lawyers will see it that way, probably, as copyright infringement because they only gave you a license to use the software if you left the telemetry on.
Someone 1y ago
So, they’re contradicting themselves, saying both (https://blog.jetbrains.com/clion/2025/05/clion-is-now-free-for-non-commercial-use/#what-features-are-included-under-the-free-license https://blog.jetbrains.com/clion/2025/05/clion-is-now-free-f...) “With the new non-commercial license type, you can enjoy a full-featured IDE that is identical to its paid version. The only difference is in the Code With Me feature – you get Code With Me Community with your free license.” and (https://blog.jetbrains.com/clion/2025/05/clion-is-now-free-for-non-commercial-use/#is-there-a-way-to-opt-out-of-sending-anonymized-statistics https://blog.jetbrains.com/clion/2025/05/clion-is-now-free-f...) “We appreciate that this might not be convenient for everyone, but there is unfortunately no way to opt out of sending anonymized statistics to JetBrains under the terms of the Toolbox agreement for non-commercial use. The only way to opt out is by switching to either a paid subscription or one of the complimentary options mentioned here.” Also, if they find that unfortunate, why did they make the product do that?
- codedokode 1y ago
  > there is unfortunately no way to opt out of sending anonymized statistics There is a way - simply use an open source alternative to JetBrains.

Yes, that one is a real bummer, actually, but if they're using something like how Go does it [0], at least it's tolerable if you're bound to using it. [0]: https://telemetry.go.dev/privacy https://telemetry.go.dev/privacy

enigma101 1y ago

just use a firewall, no?

pjmlp 1y ago

There is your price right there.

lern_too_spel 1y ago

They're probably using the telemetry to monitor commercial abuse.

anastasiak2512 1y ago
The telemetry is used to analyzed the most used / unused features and to improve the product. For example, it's useful to understand that some specific technology gains more popularity among users and contribute more into its support.
- lern_too_spel 1y ago
  I have no doubt that this is the primary use. It was the only way to use that data until now. Now that there is a free offering, there is a new potential use that neatly explains why it is required in the free offering and optional otherwise.

ainiriand 1y ago

Can you give us proof of that? I have not seen anything like that in my RustRover usage but it might be that I have missed that.

hiq 1y ago
It's in the article: > It’s important to note that, if you’re using a non-commercial license, you cannot opt out of the collection of anonymous usage statistics.
dardeaup 1y ago
From the link: "It’s important to note that, if you’re using a non-commercial license, you cannot opt out of the collection of anonymous usage statistics."

pasoevi 1y ago

You can still use paid version if you want to turn telemetry off. With the free version, you can either use it and say thanks, or not use it at all.

badsectoracula 1y ago
Indeed, this is one of the various options one has. Another option is to not use it and be vocal against telemetry, hopefully convincing others to do the same while dissuading other developers (especially in a forum like Hacker News where people that build stuff gather) from adding it on their products.
- pasoevi 1y ago
  I wouldn't take people seriously who are vocal against telemetry in a product which has paid version with the option to turn telemetry off. Such people would be vocal against paying for the work others do. Also, if properly anonymised, telemetry isn't the devil people make it to be.
  - badsectoracula 1y ago
    > I wouldn't take people seriously who are vocal against telemetry in a product which has paid version with the option to turn telemetry off. You are conflating two separate things, a product does not need telemetry to function and if telemetry is needed it can be opt-in. Similarly a product does not need to be free to have telemetry nor does it need to be paid to not have telemetry, as i already wrote these two are completely separate. > Such people would be vocal against paying for the work others do. Again you are conflating two completely separate things: people being concerned about the privacy implications of telemetry (both directly and indirectly, see below) and people who are against about paying others for their work. > Also, if properly anonymised, telemetry isn't the devil people make it to be. Even if anonymized (which is something you can only guarantee for open source projects that either you or someone you trust has checked they do such anonymization properly - and also you either build yourself from the source that was checked or you used a binary from a reproducible build) having telemetry in place still creates and reinforces a precedent of it being acceptable which in turn can be used to excuse other programs doing the same but those programs actually not caring about doing proper anonymization (at best) or even outright spying on you (at worst). Besides anonymized data can still be used in conjunction with other data to be deanonymized and the best way to protect users from this is to not collect that data in the first place.

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pacman1337 1y ago

couldn't we just block the traffic with /etc/hosts?

immibis 1y ago
Then you're presumably committing an actual crime, or at least, their lawyers will see it that way, probably, as copyright infringement because they only gave you a license to use the software if you left the telemetry on.

Someone 1y ago

So, they’re contradicting themselves, saying both (https://blog.jetbrains.com/clion/2025/05/clion-is-now-free-for-non-commercial-use/#what-features-are-included-under-the-free-license https://blog.jetbrains.com/clion/2025/05/clion-is-now-free-f...) “With the new non-commercial license type, you can enjoy a full-featured IDE that is identical to its paid version. The only difference is in the Code With Me feature – you get Code With Me Community with your free license.” and (https://blog.jetbrains.com/clion/2025/05/clion-is-now-free-for-non-commercial-use/#is-there-a-way-to-opt-out-of-sending-anonymized-statistics https://blog.jetbrains.com/clion/2025/05/clion-is-now-free-f...) “We appreciate that this might not be convenient for everyone, but there is unfortunately no way to opt out of sending anonymized statistics to JetBrains under the terms of the Toolbox agreement for non-commercial use. The only way to opt out is by switching to either a paid subscription or one of the complimentary options mentioned here.” Also, if they find that unfortunate, why did they make the product do that?

codedokode 1y ago
> there is unfortunately no way to opt out of sending anonymized statistics There is a way - simply use an open source alternative to JetBrains.