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Of course that's communcation. "Talking" might be a bit overpromising, but definitely some comms. Don't nitpick, the core is true. :P eyeroll

damnitbuilds 1y ago
This is supposed to be science, terminology matters: They state that tentacle waving serves "as a communication system between cuttlefish." Merely showing that a thing reacts to another thing doing something in a certain way is NOT showing the existence of a communication system between them.
Dylan16807 1y ago
Weird. I would say that idle finger drumming is of course not communication.
- anotheryou 1y ago
  > Communication is the process of exchanging information between individuals through various means, such as speaking, writing, or using body language. It involves a sender conveying a message to a receiver, who then interprets and responds to that message. (some ai said this, but I think AI should be perfect for defining common words :)
- anotheryou 1y ago
  Well to be fair finger drumming can, but does not have to be purpuseful communication. You can drum your fingers because you are bored, not to signal to the outside that you are bored. Strictly speaking me picking up on your boredness because you drum your fingers makes it communication anyways I think :). A better example would be waving at someone, communicating "hello / look at me / I see you / here / I'm happy to see you / goodbye"
  - pixl97 1y ago
    Reading through this thread you can see how many people on HN don't understand non-verbal communication (note anotheryou, this isn't directed at you, you seem to get it). I do wonder if some of these people realize they may not be neurotypical, even if just slightly. A huge amount of human behaviors and communications are encoded how we move and how our face reacts. If for some reason you can't pick up on or interpret this, then human behavior can be quite confusing.
    - Dylan16807 1y ago
      In some sense everything is communication but that's going too far for "talking". In the more normal sense finger drumming can be communication but 90+% of the time it's not.
  - jjk166 1y ago
    It would likely be better to describe that as an observation than a communication. Even if someone were deliberately trying to convey they were bored via finger drumming, that communication only works in a social framework where we've mutually established a meaning to that behavior. If an alien were finger drumming on a table that would not necessarily indicate they were bored nonetheless that they wanted to convey that they were bored.

damnitbuilds 1y ago

This is supposed to be science, terminology matters: They state that tentacle waving serves "as a communication system between cuttlefish." Merely showing that a thing reacts to another thing doing something in a certain way is NOT showing the existence of a communication system between them.

Dylan16807 1y ago

Weird. I would say that idle finger drumming is of course not communication.

anotheryou 1y ago
> Communication is the process of exchanging information between individuals through various means, such as speaking, writing, or using body language. It involves a sender conveying a message to a receiver, who then interprets and responds to that message. (some ai said this, but I think AI should be perfect for defining common words :)
anotheryou 1y ago
Well to be fair finger drumming can, but does not have to be purpuseful communication. You can drum your fingers because you are bored, not to signal to the outside that you are bored. Strictly speaking me picking up on your boredness because you drum your fingers makes it communication anyways I think :). A better example would be waving at someone, communicating "hello / look at me / I see you / here / I'm happy to see you / goodbye"
- pixl97 1y ago
  Reading through this thread you can see how many people on HN don't understand non-verbal communication (note anotheryou, this isn't directed at you, you seem to get it). I do wonder if some of these people realize they may not be neurotypical, even if just slightly. A huge amount of human behaviors and communications are encoded how we move and how our face reacts. If for some reason you can't pick up on or interpret this, then human behavior can be quite confusing.
  - Dylan16807 1y ago
    In some sense everything is communication but that's going too far for "talking". In the more normal sense finger drumming can be communication but 90+% of the time it's not.
- jjk166 1y ago
  It would likely be better to describe that as an observation than a communication. Even if someone were deliberately trying to convey they were bored via finger drumming, that communication only works in a social framework where we've mutually established a meaning to that behavior. If an alien were finger drumming on a table that would not necessarily indicate they were bored nonetheless that they wanted to convey that they were bored.