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I hope this cools down into a propagation war after the initial bombing and shooting. Nationalism served, and every one gets what they want, well, except the de

I hope this cools down into a propagation war after the initial bombing and shooting. Nationalism served, and every one gets what they want, well, except the dead ones...

alephnerd 1y ago
Depends on internal politics in Pakistan. The army isn't completely united, and the current COAS of Pakistan (Asim Munir) is much more ideological than the former one (Qamar Javed Bajwa), who he pushed out after Bajwa and Imran Khan demoted Munir from the ISI to a (relatively) lowly Corp Commander. Bajwa was working on normalizing relations with India, but himself got undermined by Imran Khan and separately by Asim Munir.
- brcmthrowaway 1y ago
  Who instigated the attack on India?
  - alephnerd 1y ago
    LeT, backed by Pakistan. Yet the Pakistani Army is not uniform either. Bajwa literally attempted to normalize relations with India before he was undermined by Munir. COASes don't last as long as they used to, and there absolutely is consternation to being pulled into the old days.
- mayama 1y ago
  It's result of supporting fundamentalist terrorism and supporting infrastructure nationwide. After sufficient growth, the extremist support base started being recruited into lower levels of army and the support grew from there. Going forward, fundamentalist support in Army will continue to grow even in upper levels.
- markus_zhang 1y ago
  I heard the ISI is also quasi independent, too.
  - alephnerd 1y ago
    Historically yes, but the new head of the ISI (Asim Malik) is a close confidant of Asim Munir. The Balochistan Corp is quasi-independent as well, as they are the primary stakeholder in CPEC. The Pakistani Armed Forces and Civilian Government have too many veto players, which means any attempt at normalization gets undermined by one of these players trying to maximize their own benefit. It doesn't help that the Pakistani Armed Forces plays an outsized role in the economy, so individual services and even corps can become business competitors, making internal competition even fiercer. A similar issue plagued the PLA before Xi era reforms began in 2012, and continue to plague the VPA (but was partially dulled by the SK and UK FTAs) .
devsda 1y ago
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- justin66 1y ago
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- SanjayMehta 1y ago
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  - dang 1y ago
    Please don't take HN threads further into flamewar. These are fraught issues and we need to be flexible with each other.
    - SanjayMehta 1y ago
      Please don’t allow such posts on HN at all; they belong on X
      - dang 1y ago
        I hear you, but it's the other way around: when such posts appear, commenters need to be aware of their emotional reactions and (let's say) organize them in a way that respects the spirit of the community: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. This of course is far from easy, but it's what we all (including the admins) need to do.
        SanjayMehta 1y ago
        The rest of the threads in this post are all over the place.
kumarvvr 1y ago
> every one gets what they want India wants Pakistan to end cross-border terrorism. Everyone did not get what they want.
- mrtksn 1y ago
  Very recently, there was a terrorist attack in Pakistan too: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Jaffar_Express_hijacking https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Jaffar_Express_hijackin... The attackers are allegedly backed by India.(India denies this, just like Pakistan deny involvement with the attacks in India). So probably these bombings won’t solve anything as the issues appear to be a much more complicated. Therefore it is possible that everyone got what they need from these bombings.
  - kumarvvr 1y ago
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    - yreew 1y ago
      And Osama didn't attack India.
  - sbmthakur 1y ago
    India is likely to authorize more such strikes if terror attacks continue on its territory.
  - ganarajpr 1y ago
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    - eklavya 1y ago
      Why bother? What do you think would be the HN reaction if the attack in pahalgam played out in any western country? I would love to see CNN and others report about jingoism and nationalism then. CNN still called the terrorists, militants, it's a wierd hatred. The hypocrisy is so strong it's almost inhuman.

I hope this cools down into a propagation war after the initial bombing and shooting. Nationalism served, and every one gets what they want, well, except the dead ones...

alephnerd 1y ago

Depends on internal politics in Pakistan. The army isn't completely united, and the current COAS of Pakistan (Asim Munir) is much more ideological than the former one (Qamar Javed Bajwa), who he pushed out after Bajwa and Imran Khan demoted Munir from the ISI to a (relatively) lowly Corp Commander. Bajwa was working on normalizing relations with India, but himself got undermined by Imran Khan and separately by Asim Munir.

brcmthrowaway 1y ago
Who instigated the attack on India?
- alephnerd 1y ago
  LeT, backed by Pakistan. Yet the Pakistani Army is not uniform either. Bajwa literally attempted to normalize relations with India before he was undermined by Munir. COASes don't last as long as they used to, and there absolutely is consternation to being pulled into the old days.
mayama 1y ago
It's result of supporting fundamentalist terrorism and supporting infrastructure nationwide. After sufficient growth, the extremist support base started being recruited into lower levels of army and the support grew from there. Going forward, fundamentalist support in Army will continue to grow even in upper levels.
markus_zhang 1y ago
I heard the ISI is also quasi independent, too.
- alephnerd 1y ago
  Historically yes, but the new head of the ISI (Asim Malik) is a close confidant of Asim Munir. The Balochistan Corp is quasi-independent as well, as they are the primary stakeholder in CPEC. The Pakistani Armed Forces and Civilian Government have too many veto players, which means any attempt at normalization gets undermined by one of these players trying to maximize their own benefit. It doesn't help that the Pakistani Armed Forces plays an outsized role in the economy, so individual services and even corps can become business competitors, making internal competition even fiercer. A similar issue plagued the PLA before Xi era reforms began in 2012, and continue to plague the VPA (but was partially dulled by the SK and UK FTAs) .

devsda 1y ago

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justin66 1y ago
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SanjayMehta 1y ago
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- deleted 1y ago
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- dang 1y ago
  Please don't take HN threads further into flamewar. These are fraught issues and we need to be flexible with each other.
  - SanjayMehta 1y ago
    Please don’t allow such posts on HN at all; they belong on X
    - dang 1y ago
      I hear you, but it's the other way around: when such posts appear, commenters need to be aware of their emotional reactions and (let's say) organize them in a way that respects the spirit of the community: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. This of course is far from easy, but it's what we all (including the admins) need to do.
      - SanjayMehta 1y ago
        The rest of the threads in this post are all over the place.

kumarvvr 1y ago

> every one gets what they want India wants Pakistan to end cross-border terrorism. Everyone did not get what they want.

mrtksn 1y ago
Very recently, there was a terrorist attack in Pakistan too: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Jaffar_Express_hijacking https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Jaffar_Express_hijackin... The attackers are allegedly backed by India.(India denies this, just like Pakistan deny involvement with the attacks in India). So probably these bombings won’t solve anything as the issues appear to be a much more complicated. Therefore it is possible that everyone got what they need from these bombings.
- kumarvvr 1y ago
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  - deleted 1y ago
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  - yreew 1y ago
    And Osama didn't attack India.
- sbmthakur 1y ago
  India is likely to authorize more such strikes if terror attacks continue on its territory.
- ganarajpr 1y ago
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  - eklavya 1y ago
    Why bother? What do you think would be the HN reaction if the attack in pahalgam played out in any western country? I would love to see CNN and others report about jingoism and nationalism then. CNN still called the terrorists, militants, it's a wierd hatred. The hypocrisy is so strong it's almost inhuman.