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Their counter argument will be "the privacy of the people we interact with" i.e. a SWAT team storming a house when a young child is in the bathroom.

by tmpz22 1y ago

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stuaxo 1y ago
Can't see them traumatising children.
- theoreticalmal 1y ago
  Other than the “sorry, we raided the wrong house” situations (which absolutely should out the whole swat team in jail) a judge has to sign a warrant to raid the house, for good reason. The responsibility for the kids being traumatized lies with their parents, committing crimes in the house.
  - macintux 1y ago
    Committing crimes like registering to vote and being told they could vote? https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/08/florida-voter-fraud-election-police-desantis-entrapment.html https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/08/florida-voter-fr...
  - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
    > a judge has to sign a warrant to raid the house, for good reason We’re arresting and irrevocably detaining folks not only without a warrant, but in violation of court orders.
    - owebmaster 1y ago
      One more reason for the cameras to be always on
  - phatskat 1y ago
    > which absolutely should out the whole swat team in jail Which doesn’t really happen, I mean cops murder innocent people and it’s a struggle to get meaningful consequences for _that_. This is part of what ACAB means - the justice system is woefully against the interest of the public. If we hadn’t seen time and again cops get away with literal murder, if there were actually consequences, and if police unions didn’t have the ability to hold a community hostage, maybe fewer people would be ACAB. The fact that we even had to have a Supreme Court case about whether cops have a duty to protect civilians (surprise, it was ruled that they don’t) should be evidence that the system is rotten.
    - JohnMakin 1y ago
      I don’t make commentary publicly on ACAB usually but will share a story. I have had friends and family in law enforcement, but tend to take the view the institution is corrupt and the incentives and profession turns people in the best case scenario to unfeeling instruments of the machine, and in the worst case, turns shitty people into monsters. dunno if that makes me “ACAB” but if I were to take that position I’d say “all cops are bad, bad meaning incompetent, not necessarily evil.” if you define ACAB in this way and competence defined as protecting the public from crime and maintaining the common good, then yea probably a lot if not ACAB. I’ll share a story because this one moment in my life I was certain I was milliseconds from death and probably is the closest I ever came to it and it would have been at the hands of a cop “doing their job” with no bad intentions, just doing it poorly. I worked in public transportation in a small, extremely wealthy community with a police force I’d describe as well funded and is considered highly trained. Part of my job required me to work very late hours into 2-4am. I took public transportation to work and bicycled home. Unbeknownst to me, there had been some type of home invasion in the area as I was leaving work at 3am, and they shut the area down with roadblocks and set heavily armed officers up at every street intersection. I was riding my bike through the side alleys like I usually did to get home, unaware of the situation. It’s pitch black except for some street lights nearby. Suddenly I get lit up by half a dozen bright lights in my face with armed officers pointing their weapons and screaming at me to get off my bike and on the ground. i did but had my backpack still on, they screamed to take it off as I did on my knees i saw an officer walk straight forward to me quickly with his hands on his gun aiming directly at my skull. I will never forget the look in his eyes, i felt i was toast. luckily i didnt panic and slowly put the backpack on the ground. then they realized i was a transportation worker and let me go and told me there had been a robbery. I was rattled but left. The thing that really chapped my ass though and made the situation worse was at the next intersection, almost the exact same thing happened, because the bozos at the first one didnt radio their idiot friends and tell them not to shoot me. so twice in the space of like 5 mins i get guns drawn on me - they figured it out quicker the second time, but i stupidly popped off a little “are you gonna point your guns at me a third time or tell the next guys not to shoot me,” which didnt help the tension and got my bag searched for my trouble. Experiencing something like that and knowing what a razors edge it could have been to dying for essentially no reason at the hands of a moron that makes more than i ever will with a pension irks me and always probably will.
dghlsakjg 1y ago
Having the recording, viewing the recording internally, and releasing the recording to the public are all separate things. These are solved problems. Hundreds of agencies use body cams now, and this has been dealt with.
- bee_rider 1y ago
  I basically agree with you, but also am not sure how to square this with my belief that we are really gathering way too much information as a society (it always leaks).
  - clipsy 1y ago
    > but also am not sure how to square this with my belief that we are really gathering way too much information as a society I think a good starting point for squaring this is to examine it in the context of what else the administration is doing (or not doing) to protect the privacy of citizens. This move has an enormous deleterious effect on police accountability in exchange for a fairly small increase in citizen privacy, so if the administration is ignoring more effective ways to improve the citizenry's privacy you can safely infer what really motivated their decision to back away from body cams.
  - itsanaccount 1y ago
    its about power. you smoking a cig in an alley on your 15 minute break? you should have every right and privilege on earth. you running 10,000 person strong group of people with the legal right to use force against your fellow man fighting to deny people their personal liberties with a long history of corruption? i don't care if there's cameras in the bathrooms.
    - tzs 1y ago
      I think you misread the thread. The posters above weren’t talking about the bathrooms of the DEA. The are talking about the bathrooms of the people the body cam wearing DEA officers encounter.

Their counter argument will be "the privacy of the people we interact with" i.e. a SWAT team storming a house when a young child is in the bathroom.

by tmpz22 1y ago

Their counter argument will be "the privacy of the people we interact with" i.e. a SWAT team storming a house when a young child is in the bathroom.

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stuaxo 1y ago

Can't see them traumatising children.

theoreticalmal 1y ago
Other than the “sorry, we raided the wrong house” situations (which absolutely should out the whole swat team in jail) a judge has to sign a warrant to raid the house, for good reason. The responsibility for the kids being traumatized lies with their parents, committing crimes in the house.
- macintux 1y ago
  Committing crimes like registering to vote and being told they could vote? https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/08/florida-voter-fraud-election-police-desantis-entrapment.html https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/08/florida-voter-fr...
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago
  > a judge has to sign a warrant to raid the house, for good reason We’re arresting and irrevocably detaining folks not only without a warrant, but in violation of court orders.
  - owebmaster 1y ago
    One more reason for the cameras to be always on
- phatskat 1y ago
  > which absolutely should out the whole swat team in jail Which doesn’t really happen, I mean cops murder innocent people and it’s a struggle to get meaningful consequences for _that_. This is part of what ACAB means - the justice system is woefully against the interest of the public. If we hadn’t seen time and again cops get away with literal murder, if there were actually consequences, and if police unions didn’t have the ability to hold a community hostage, maybe fewer people would be ACAB. The fact that we even had to have a Supreme Court case about whether cops have a duty to protect civilians (surprise, it was ruled that they don’t) should be evidence that the system is rotten.
  - JohnMakin 1y ago
    I don’t make commentary publicly on ACAB usually but will share a story. I have had friends and family in law enforcement, but tend to take the view the institution is corrupt and the incentives and profession turns people in the best case scenario to unfeeling instruments of the machine, and in the worst case, turns shitty people into monsters. dunno if that makes me “ACAB” but if I were to take that position I’d say “all cops are bad, bad meaning incompetent, not necessarily evil.” if you define ACAB in this way and competence defined as protecting the public from crime and maintaining the common good, then yea probably a lot if not ACAB. I’ll share a story because this one moment in my life I was certain I was milliseconds from death and probably is the closest I ever came to it and it would have been at the hands of a cop “doing their job” with no bad intentions, just doing it poorly. I worked in public transportation in a small, extremely wealthy community with a police force I’d describe as well funded and is considered highly trained. Part of my job required me to work very late hours into 2-4am. I took public transportation to work and bicycled home. Unbeknownst to me, there had been some type of home invasion in the area as I was leaving work at 3am, and they shut the area down with roadblocks and set heavily armed officers up at every street intersection. I was riding my bike through the side alleys like I usually did to get home, unaware of the situation. It’s pitch black except for some street lights nearby. Suddenly I get lit up by half a dozen bright lights in my face with armed officers pointing their weapons and screaming at me to get off my bike and on the ground. i did but had my backpack still on, they screamed to take it off as I did on my knees i saw an officer walk straight forward to me quickly with his hands on his gun aiming directly at my skull. I will never forget the look in his eyes, i felt i was toast. luckily i didnt panic and slowly put the backpack on the ground. then they realized i was a transportation worker and let me go and told me there had been a robbery. I was rattled but left. The thing that really chapped my ass though and made the situation worse was at the next intersection, almost the exact same thing happened, because the bozos at the first one didnt radio their idiot friends and tell them not to shoot me. so twice in the space of like 5 mins i get guns drawn on me - they figured it out quicker the second time, but i stupidly popped off a little “are you gonna point your guns at me a third time or tell the next guys not to shoot me,” which didnt help the tension and got my bag searched for my trouble. Experiencing something like that and knowing what a razors edge it could have been to dying for essentially no reason at the hands of a moron that makes more than i ever will with a pension irks me and always probably will.

dghlsakjg 1y ago

Having the recording, viewing the recording internally, and releasing the recording to the public are all separate things. These are solved problems. Hundreds of agencies use body cams now, and this has been dealt with.

bee_rider 1y ago
I basically agree with you, but also am not sure how to square this with my belief that we are really gathering way too much information as a society (it always leaks).
- clipsy 1y ago
  > but also am not sure how to square this with my belief that we are really gathering way too much information as a society I think a good starting point for squaring this is to examine it in the context of what else the administration is doing (or not doing) to protect the privacy of citizens. This move has an enormous deleterious effect on police accountability in exchange for a fairly small increase in citizen privacy, so if the administration is ignoring more effective ways to improve the citizenry's privacy you can safely infer what really motivated their decision to back away from body cams.
- itsanaccount 1y ago
  its about power. you smoking a cig in an alley on your 15 minute break? you should have every right and privilege on earth. you running 10,000 person strong group of people with the legal right to use force against your fellow man fighting to deny people their personal liberties with a long history of corruption? i don't care if there's cameras in the bathrooms.
  - tzs 1y ago
    I think you misread the thread. The posters above weren’t talking about the bathrooms of the DEA. The are talking about the bathrooms of the people the body cam wearing DEA officers encounter.