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A tip is essentially an extra 15-20% pseudo-tax on food delivery (at least in the US-where some people feel entitled to be tipped just for doing their job).

tptacek 1y ago
No, a tip is a variable component of the price of having your burrito delivered to you in a private taxi cab, and if you don't want to pay it, go pick up your own burrito.
- xingped 1y ago
  No, I'm already paying for a delivery service fee. A tip is an extra thank you. If restaurants charge me a mandatory fee ("tip") on top of my food price, there's no extra tip on top of that.
  - tptacek 1y ago
    I mean, you can choose to pay or not pay for the service. I'm not saying you should go out of your way to patronize businesses that charge you more for your burrito taxi than you think it's worth. But if your burritos arrive cold because you are the lowest bidder for the service, I think you've lost some of the moral high ground to complain.
    - xingped 1y ago
      If food delivery services were presented to end users as some sort of bidding model, sure, but it's not. It's presented as simply as "you order food, food gets delivered to you". There's no ability to see how my order might be affected by how much I pay. For the record, I never use food delivery services because the upcharge is absurd. If I want food delivery it'll be pizza and that's it. At least that's an honest transaction and I don't have to wonder when my food will arrive or how cold it might be.
    - elliotto 1y ago
      I have a high moral high ground because I don't use these services at all due to poor treatment of employees. It's difficult to conflate the moral high ground with maximal participation in a weird auction format when people are just trying to buy a burrito. In most other countries (like mine Australia) the price of the good is the advertised price. There is no extra weird moral based financial game played on top.
      - tptacek 1y ago
        I mean, OK, but they're treated badly because they're not paid enough, which makes tipping a strange complaint! You could use the service, if you wanted. Just pay what it really costs.
        koolba 1y ago
        > You could use the service, if you wanted. Just pay what it really costs. Then they should have whatever that is be the actual displayed cost. As it stands now, there’s an often delivery fee which apparently does not guarantee and reasonable delivery time. How does that make any sense?
        kelnos 1y ago
        Oh certainly, it doesn't make sense at all. We should be presented the cost of the service, including a reasonable wage for the driver. But it's a little odd to turn this into a moral issue when the app actually does give you the means to pay the driver what you believe is actually fair, above the base amount being charged. So what this really tells me is that you just think the true cost is more than you want to pay. Which is totally fine.
        const_cast 1y ago
        It doesn't make any sense and it's purely exploitative. However, you should still tip, because not tipping isn't a protest. You're not hurting doordash by not tipping, you're just hurting the driver and yourself. The driver who, as we've all rightfully pointed out, is already exploited.
    - raverbashing 1y ago
      Yes I paid for a service, I expect to receive said service Honestly only Americans could come up with this BS justification about "lowest bidder" for a service I'm fully paying for
    - rendaw 1y ago
      I don't think GGGP was complaining about the price. I think they were complaining about it being a non-disclosed fee (like tax) while also not being a clearly defined amount (pseudo-tax) and with aggressively bad consequences if someone doesn't go along with the mind game (deliverer eats the food, wastes an hour of your time while you're hungry, need to follow up with support, etc) rather than just an up-front rejection. Obviously nobody wants to order food on ebay, and if you're going to argue that an auction is the only possible outcome why wouldn't that apply to the restaurant itself too? The restaurant could aggressively underpay/understaff chefs, then you go to pick up the order and restaurant says "Oh someone else offered to buy food at a higher price, but feel free to order again and offer more, and sit here for 30m while we prepare it!"
    - pjerem 1y ago
      I’m not from the US so I’m barely concerned with tipping but it seems to me that even in the US, the amount you tip is dependent of the QoS you got. So I really don’t see the point of tipping beforehand. You can tip the driver when he delivers the meal if that’s what you want. Anything before the service have been delivered sounds like a fee and, if I understand other comments here, a mean to pay for your position in the queue which imho sounds pretty disgusting.
      - Steve16384 1y ago
        And even then, you won't know how good or cold it is until you've unwrapped it and started eating it.
- what 1y ago
  No, the service fee is the price of having a burrito delivered.
- renewiltord 1y ago
  To be honest, this is all nonsense. When I Doordash I don't really tip and things are fine. My wife tips 10% and she's fine. But I think it's pretty funny that you're going around defending pricing dark patterns with the latest Twitter-trend-du-jour. It's a pity you couldn't refer to the burrito as "slop" eaten only by the "deeply unserious" who need to "go to therapy" because you're "begging them, please read a book". Maybe a little description of how the "enshittification" of the delivery process leads to "ghoulish" requests that demonstrate "late-stage capitalism" in a "mask-off moment".
9283409232 1y ago
> A tip is essentially an extra 15-20% pseudo-tax on food delivery Then what's the delivery fee?
- deleted 1y ago
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- chii 1y ago
  to make the delivery fee seem lower than it really is.
- delfinom 1y ago
  Extra profit for the app, on top of the 30% they charge the restaurant. They do technically pull from the delivery fee for the base offering to drivers, but they certainly don't start the offering there.
- dagw 1y ago
  The fee is to make the delivery happen at all, the tip is to make it happen in a timely manner.
LeafItAlone 1y ago
>at least in the US-where some people feel entitled to be tipped just for doing their job In the US, many food-related jobs are paid rates predicated on the workers being tipped. Sure there are some laws requiring the business to make up the difference to minimum wage if not met (over an average), but that’s still only up to minimum wage which is criminally low in many states. Some states have started requiring the companies running app-based gig jobs to also ensure a minimum wage is paid, but not many yet. US tipping culture is crazy.

tptacek 1y ago

No, a tip is a variable component of the price of having your burrito delivered to you in a private taxi cab, and if you don't want to pay it, go pick up your own burrito.

xingped 1y ago
No, I'm already paying for a delivery service fee. A tip is an extra thank you. If restaurants charge me a mandatory fee ("tip") on top of my food price, there's no extra tip on top of that.
- tptacek 1y ago
  I mean, you can choose to pay or not pay for the service. I'm not saying you should go out of your way to patronize businesses that charge you more for your burrito taxi than you think it's worth. But if your burritos arrive cold because you are the lowest bidder for the service, I think you've lost some of the moral high ground to complain.
  - xingped 1y ago
    If food delivery services were presented to end users as some sort of bidding model, sure, but it's not. It's presented as simply as "you order food, food gets delivered to you". There's no ability to see how my order might be affected by how much I pay. For the record, I never use food delivery services because the upcharge is absurd. If I want food delivery it'll be pizza and that's it. At least that's an honest transaction and I don't have to wonder when my food will arrive or how cold it might be.
  - elliotto 1y ago
    I have a high moral high ground because I don't use these services at all due to poor treatment of employees. It's difficult to conflate the moral high ground with maximal participation in a weird auction format when people are just trying to buy a burrito. In most other countries (like mine Australia) the price of the good is the advertised price. There is no extra weird moral based financial game played on top.
    - tptacek 1y ago
      I mean, OK, but they're treated badly because they're not paid enough, which makes tipping a strange complaint! You could use the service, if you wanted. Just pay what it really costs.
      - koolba 1y ago
        > You could use the service, if you wanted. Just pay what it really costs. Then they should have whatever that is be the actual displayed cost. As it stands now, there’s an often delivery fee which apparently does not guarantee and reasonable delivery time. How does that make any sense?
        kelnos 1y ago
        Oh certainly, it doesn't make sense at all. We should be presented the cost of the service, including a reasonable wage for the driver. But it's a little odd to turn this into a moral issue when the app actually does give you the means to pay the driver what you believe is actually fair, above the base amount being charged. So what this really tells me is that you just think the true cost is more than you want to pay. Which is totally fine.
        const_cast 1y ago
        It doesn't make any sense and it's purely exploitative. However, you should still tip, because not tipping isn't a protest. You're not hurting doordash by not tipping, you're just hurting the driver and yourself. The driver who, as we've all rightfully pointed out, is already exploited.
  - raverbashing 1y ago
    Yes I paid for a service, I expect to receive said service Honestly only Americans could come up with this BS justification about "lowest bidder" for a service I'm fully paying for
  - rendaw 1y ago
    I don't think GGGP was complaining about the price. I think they were complaining about it being a non-disclosed fee (like tax) while also not being a clearly defined amount (pseudo-tax) and with aggressively bad consequences if someone doesn't go along with the mind game (deliverer eats the food, wastes an hour of your time while you're hungry, need to follow up with support, etc) rather than just an up-front rejection. Obviously nobody wants to order food on ebay, and if you're going to argue that an auction is the only possible outcome why wouldn't that apply to the restaurant itself too? The restaurant could aggressively underpay/understaff chefs, then you go to pick up the order and restaurant says "Oh someone else offered to buy food at a higher price, but feel free to order again and offer more, and sit here for 30m while we prepare it!"
  - pjerem 1y ago
    I’m not from the US so I’m barely concerned with tipping but it seems to me that even in the US, the amount you tip is dependent of the QoS you got. So I really don’t see the point of tipping beforehand. You can tip the driver when he delivers the meal if that’s what you want. Anything before the service have been delivered sounds like a fee and, if I understand other comments here, a mean to pay for your position in the queue which imho sounds pretty disgusting.
    - Steve16384 1y ago
      And even then, you won't know how good or cold it is until you've unwrapped it and started eating it.
what 1y ago
No, the service fee is the price of having a burrito delivered.
renewiltord 1y ago
To be honest, this is all nonsense. When I Doordash I don't really tip and things are fine. My wife tips 10% and she's fine. But I think it's pretty funny that you're going around defending pricing dark patterns with the latest Twitter-trend-du-jour. It's a pity you couldn't refer to the burrito as "slop" eaten only by the "deeply unserious" who need to "go to therapy" because you're "begging them, please read a book". Maybe a little description of how the "enshittification" of the delivery process leads to "ghoulish" requests that demonstrate "late-stage capitalism" in a "mask-off moment".

9283409232 1y ago

> A tip is essentially an extra 15-20% pseudo-tax on food delivery Then what's the delivery fee?

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chii 1y ago
to make the delivery fee seem lower than it really is.
delfinom 1y ago
Extra profit for the app, on top of the 30% they charge the restaurant. They do technically pull from the delivery fee for the base offering to drivers, but they certainly don't start the offering there.
dagw 1y ago
The fee is to make the delivery happen at all, the tip is to make it happen in a timely manner.

LeafItAlone 1y ago

>at least in the US-where some people feel entitled to be tipped just for doing their job In the US, many food-related jobs are paid rates predicated on the workers being tipped. Sure there are some laws requiring the business to make up the difference to minimum wage if not met (over an average), but that’s still only up to minimum wage which is criminally low in many states. Some states have started requiring the companies running app-based gig jobs to also ensure a minimum wage is paid, but not many yet. US tipping culture is crazy.