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it s impressive that , despite the US deciding to self-implode there is nobody willing to step in to compete for their place. It's as if the species has cultura

by seydor 2y ago

it s impressive that , despite the US deciding to self-implode there is nobody willing to step in to compete for their place. It's as if the species has culturally peaked after its demographic peak. Europe is already in retirement and US seems to follow. Maybe we'll see African dynamism in a few decades

gus_massa 2y ago
China?
- 7thaccount 2y ago
  China is in a similar problem to South Korea where pretty soon they'll be in a rapid population decline. Or so some have been saying. I believe their official census data supports this.
beardyw 2y ago
> step in to compete Not sure how that looks - probably starts with not imposing tariffs.
matwood 2y ago
> there is nobody willing to step in to compete for their place China has been stepping on a number fronts. They are working on trade deals that exclude the US, and I'm sure are excited about the soft power vacuum left when USAID shutdown.
- WinstonSmith84 2y ago
  Maybe?.. If China had some sort of open minded Taiwanese government instead of the CCP, the US would be already buried by now. The problem of China, besides its concerning demography, is the authoritarian regime and its expansion views, which are both not very appealing for many Asian neighbors and Europeans.
  - akudha 2y ago
    When it comes to trade and geopolitics, I don't think countries would care about morality or authoritarian rule etc. As long as they are able to protect themselves against China's expansion views, countries will happily do business with the Chinese. They just wouldn't care what China does at home or elsewhere, as long as they aren't affected. I can't think of any country that has such high moral standards that they would give up cheap goods and a 1.4 Billion people market, because of Taiwan or uyghur situation In other words there is only profit/loss and strength/weakness, not right/wrong when it comes to global politics. There might be some exception cases like material support for Ukraine, but that is limited. Even in that case, there is a bit of selfishness - countries like Poland know Ukraine is acting as a buffer, if they don't help the Ukrainians, they themselves will be next on Russia's list
  - matwood 2y ago
    China as a huge manufacturing hub shows that while people may talk about China's internal policies, the economics are what really matter in geopolitics. Then there's Africa which China has been actively engaging and the USA has all but left at this point. The global south will be interesting to see who engages there.
- seydor 2y ago
  China's cultural influence is somewhere between a dwarf and zero
squigz 2y ago
How quickly do you expect a country to 'step in to compete for their place'? I'm pretty sure America didn't get to where they are overnight. The world will adjust to this, it just takes longer than a few months...
- seydor 2y ago
  America got there pretty swiftly with bretton woods. Maybe the competing threat of ussr helped
  - squigz 2y ago
    I don't think something that happened more than 80 years ago is a great example of how the modern world might adapt - not to mention that involved more than just America.
Symbiote 2y ago
Isn't this because Europe stepped up over the last 20 years and now has an industry making "American" films here? Look at the list of films made at Pinewood Studios in England, there are plenty of films I'd consider American: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_productions_filmed_at_Pinewood_Group_facilities#2000s%E2%80%932010s_2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_productions_filmed_at_... (I'm sure there are other examples, this is just the studio I'm familiar with.)
incomingpain 2y ago
You have to ask yourself why nobody wants the role. This role has only been a thing for 81 years and the USA is the only 1 dumb enough to ever try to do it. The EU could do it; basically nobody else is in the ballpark to try. No chance though. Everyone is looking at Nigeria. More than doubling their population by the end of the century. Extremely healthy population pyramid. India is soon to be the new Asian superpower. Which sure is wrecking their neighbours with their slower urbanization that is avoiding the WW2 blight. These 2 are the likely next world order candidates; if they play their cards right.
- jen20 2y ago
  > This role has only been a thing for 81 years Queen Victoria would like a word.

by seydor 2y ago

gus_massa 2y ago

China?

7thaccount 2y ago
China is in a similar problem to South Korea where pretty soon they'll be in a rapid population decline. Or so some have been saying. I believe their official census data supports this.

beardyw 2y ago

> step in to compete Not sure how that looks - probably starts with not imposing tariffs.

matwood 2y ago

> there is nobody willing to step in to compete for their place China has been stepping on a number fronts. They are working on trade deals that exclude the US, and I'm sure are excited about the soft power vacuum left when USAID shutdown.

WinstonSmith84 2y ago
Maybe?.. If China had some sort of open minded Taiwanese government instead of the CCP, the US would be already buried by now. The problem of China, besides its concerning demography, is the authoritarian regime and its expansion views, which are both not very appealing for many Asian neighbors and Europeans.
- akudha 2y ago
  When it comes to trade and geopolitics, I don't think countries would care about morality or authoritarian rule etc. As long as they are able to protect themselves against China's expansion views, countries will happily do business with the Chinese. They just wouldn't care what China does at home or elsewhere, as long as they aren't affected. I can't think of any country that has such high moral standards that they would give up cheap goods and a 1.4 Billion people market, because of Taiwan or uyghur situation In other words there is only profit/loss and strength/weakness, not right/wrong when it comes to global politics. There might be some exception cases like material support for Ukraine, but that is limited. Even in that case, there is a bit of selfishness - countries like Poland know Ukraine is acting as a buffer, if they don't help the Ukrainians, they themselves will be next on Russia's list
- matwood 2y ago
  China as a huge manufacturing hub shows that while people may talk about China's internal policies, the economics are what really matter in geopolitics. Then there's Africa which China has been actively engaging and the USA has all but left at this point. The global south will be interesting to see who engages there.
seydor 2y ago
China's cultural influence is somewhere between a dwarf and zero

squigz 2y ago

How quickly do you expect a country to 'step in to compete for their place'? I'm pretty sure America didn't get to where they are overnight. The world will adjust to this, it just takes longer than a few months...

seydor 2y ago
America got there pretty swiftly with bretton woods. Maybe the competing threat of ussr helped
- squigz 2y ago
  I don't think something that happened more than 80 years ago is a great example of how the modern world might adapt - not to mention that involved more than just America.

Symbiote 2y ago

Isn't this because Europe stepped up over the last 20 years and now has an industry making "American" films here? Look at the list of films made at Pinewood Studios in England, there are plenty of films I'd consider American: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_productions_filmed_at_Pinewood_Group_facilities#2000s%E2%80%932010s_2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_productions_filmed_at_... (I'm sure there are other examples, this is just the studio I'm familiar with.)

incomingpain 2y ago

You have to ask yourself why nobody wants the role. This role has only been a thing for 81 years and the USA is the only 1 dumb enough to ever try to do it. The EU could do it; basically nobody else is in the ballpark to try. No chance though. Everyone is looking at Nigeria. More than doubling their population by the end of the century. Extremely healthy population pyramid. India is soon to be the new Asian superpower. Which sure is wrecking their neighbours with their slower urbanization that is avoiding the WW2 blight. These 2 are the likely next world order candidates; if they play their cards right.

jen20 2y ago
> This role has only been a thing for 81 years Queen Victoria would like a word.