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10 minutes is extremely charitable. Make it more like 2 minutes. (And we give the government over half our salary for this level of attention!)

IshKebab 1y ago
> And we give the government over half our salary for this level of attention! Well that's factually bullshit.
williamdclt 1y ago
Both your statements are just plainly false (and I’m pretty sure you know it)
- snkzxbs 1y ago
  They are both correct. Primary care physicians do not spend more than two minutes diagnosing you in my experience. The diagnosis is always shallow and sometimes wrong because of how rushed the process is. You pay a third of your salary in taxes, then you pay VAT on everything you buy plus many more taxes for other things such as your property. It amounts to more than half the money you earn.
  - wizzwizz4 1y ago
    If I'm ever paying a third of my salary in taxes, I'm positively rolling in money. And, that's not how VAT works.
    - snkzxbs 1y ago
      Yes, that’s how VAT works. You, the end consumer, pay it and the government pockets it.
      - wizzwizz4 1y ago
        The third sentence of the Wikipedia article begs to differ. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Value-added_tax&oldid=1287462717 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Value-added_tax&o... > A value-added tax (VAT or goods and services tax (GST), general consumption tax (GCT)) is a consumption tax that is levied on the value added at each stage of a product's production and distribution. […] VAT is an indirect tax, because the consumer who ultimately bears the burden of the tax is not the entity that pays it. (Even then, Wikipedia is oversimplifying: "ultimately bears the burden" isn't how economies work.)
        snkzxbs 1y ago
        What that means is that you don’t pay VAT directly to the government, the business collects it from you and is responsible for giving the money to the government. But yes, the burden is on the end consumer.
        wizzwizz4 1y ago
        Au contraire, the burden is on the end consumer's employer, who pays the money to the consumer, who pays it to the business, who is responsible for giving the money to the government. … And so on, and so forth. "The burden is on" is not how economies work. Personal property is owned, but money is merely controlled – and that control is subject to caveats, because money only has value as far as it can be exchanged for goods and services. Most forms of taxation (but especially VAT) are abstract accounting tricks to accomplish complex cybernetic effects, with no simple interpretation as a levy or tithe.
        snkzxbs 1y ago
        That’s the most convoluted way of explaining taxes I have ever seen. By that logic nobody pays any taxes. Of course neither economists nor the government feel that way about taxes (including VAT), which is the reason why foodstuffs have a lower VAT.
        wizzwizz4 1y ago
kjkjadksj 1y ago
Sounds like the american system only your employer takes it out of your check before you even see it

IshKebab 1y ago

> And we give the government over half our salary for this level of attention! Well that's factually bullshit.

williamdclt 1y ago

Both your statements are just plainly false (and I’m pretty sure you know it)

snkzxbs 1y ago
They are both correct. Primary care physicians do not spend more than two minutes diagnosing you in my experience. The diagnosis is always shallow and sometimes wrong because of how rushed the process is. You pay a third of your salary in taxes, then you pay VAT on everything you buy plus many more taxes for other things such as your property. It amounts to more than half the money you earn.
- wizzwizz4 1y ago
  If I'm ever paying a third of my salary in taxes, I'm positively rolling in money. And, that's not how VAT works.
  - snkzxbs 1y ago
    Yes, that’s how VAT works. You, the end consumer, pay it and the government pockets it.
    - wizzwizz4 1y ago
      The third sentence of the Wikipedia article begs to differ. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Value-added_tax&oldid=1287462717 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Value-added_tax&o... > A value-added tax (VAT or goods and services tax (GST), general consumption tax (GCT)) is a consumption tax that is levied on the value added at each stage of a product's production and distribution. […] VAT is an indirect tax, because the consumer who ultimately bears the burden of the tax is not the entity that pays it. (Even then, Wikipedia is oversimplifying: "ultimately bears the burden" isn't how economies work.)
      - snkzxbs 1y ago
        What that means is that you don’t pay VAT directly to the government, the business collects it from you and is responsible for giving the money to the government. But yes, the burden is on the end consumer.
        wizzwizz4 1y ago
        Au contraire, the burden is on the end consumer's employer, who pays the money to the consumer, who pays it to the business, who is responsible for giving the money to the government. … And so on, and so forth. "The burden is on" is not how economies work. Personal property is owned, but money is merely controlled – and that control is subject to caveats, because money only has value as far as it can be exchanged for goods and services. Most forms of taxation (but especially VAT) are abstract accounting tricks to accomplish complex cybernetic effects, with no simple interpretation as a levy or tithe.
        snkzxbs 1y ago
        That’s the most convoluted way of explaining taxes I have ever seen. By that logic nobody pays any taxes. Of course neither economists nor the government feel that way about taxes (including VAT), which is the reason why foodstuffs have a lower VAT.
        wizzwizz4 1y ago

kjkjadksj 1y ago

Sounds like the american system only your employer takes it out of your check before you even see it