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we already have a 9'th planet, but due to the greatest pedantic campain of all time, pluto got demoted. Though given the current situation, ha!, that could chan

we already have a 9'th planet, but due to the greatest pedantic campain of all time, pluto got demoted. Though given the current situation, ha!, that could change.....perhaps the naming commity will get noticed, and be offered a chance to do a deal, and Make Pluto A Planet Again,(MPAPA)

chess_buster 2y ago
Pluto for planet! https://www.planetarium-hamburg.de/en/pluto-for-planet https://www.planetarium-hamburg.de/en/pluto-for-planet
rini17 2y ago
The same happened to Ceres first. To be fair, Make Ceres A Planet Again!
- metalman 2y ago
  Ya, I know but Ceres is going to get pushed into an intersection with Mars to generate an atmosphere and a hydrological cycle .......testing on fusion rocket drives is ongoing https://newatlas.com/space/pulsar-fusion-rocket-design-slash-space-travel-times/ https://newatlas.com/space/pulsar-fusion-rocket-design-slash...
  - QuadmasterXLII 2y ago
    I mean, if you’re pushing ceres around, teller and ulam already designed the ideal fusion rocket
  - Qem 2y ago
    Hopefully the energy released would also remelt it and restart it's magnetic field, to avoid volatile loss again.
    - rini17 2y ago
      Remelting whole planet is such a nonsense, it would take millions of years for the large body as Mars to cool enough for surface to be usable. By the way, the loss of atmosphere takes millions of years too. The popular "we must restart mars magnetic field" trope likes to omit the fact. In the end occassional replenishment of volatiles would probably be cheaper.
- juped 2y ago
  Yes, Pluto is the tenth planet. To discover Planet 9, simply open your ephemerides and look for "Neptune".
  - db48x 2y ago
    Back in the day Mercury, Venus, Earth, Ceres, Pallas, Vesta, Juno, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune were the 12 planets. You could kinda consider Pluto to be the 13th planet, but in 1930 when it was discovered there were already over 1000 named asteroids. So Pluto is the 1146th planet.
    - juped 2y ago
      Pallas and Vesta aren't gravitationally rounded, though. But then again, the Moon is (being much larger than Ceres). (It's just better numbered as planet 3-1.)
      - db48x 2y ago
        That wasn’t a requirement in 1930.
        juped 2y ago
        It is required by me, now!
- echelon 2y ago
  If planets are required to clear their orbits, what was Jupiter called while the solar system was forming? A dwarf planet? A proto planet? The entire time? Was earth not a planet shortly before and after collision with Theia? The naming pedantry seems ridiculous given that we have such a small sample size.
  - anton-c 2y ago
    I find that to be the most weird one too. I don't know much about orbital mechanics but in the unlikely chance 2 bodies shared an orbit does that mean they aren't planets then? How close can two planets be before losing that designation? I share your ire.
  - stouset 2y ago
    Every single definition that segments a real world set of continuous objects into discrete buckets has surprising edge cases. This is basically inescapable. To steal a quote: All definitions are wrong. Some are useful.
  - lupusreal 2y ago
    > If planets are required to clear their orbits, what was Jupiter called while the solar system was forming? Hell, what's it called now? Jupiter's orbit is shared with millions of Trojans. Many of them are more than a hundred kilometers in diameter; for reference, Deimos, one of Mars' moons, has a mean radius of about 6 km.
brookst 2y ago
This is especially important if it turnes out there is a black hole acting as an additional planet, since it justifies the “Planet X” name.
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rollcat 2y ago
The definition is pretty arbitrary. It's more interesting, what can we learn by studying that object. Even the trivia, like tidal locking, it was one of my 10000 moments (https://xkcd.com/1053/ https://xkcd.com/1053/).
gus_massa 2y ago
If you add Pluto, you must add also Eris and a few more, like 5 or more, and perhaps also Ceres. Here is a nice graphic that excludes Ceres https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwarf_planet#Population_of_dwarf_planets https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwarf_planet#Population_of_d...
- ryao 2y ago
  We should add those planets to the official list too. Gauss considered Ceres to be a planet and I believe him over living astronomers. The motivation for this dwarf planet nonsense was to try to keep the official planet list small so children could memorize them with ease, but that is absurd. We do not remove countries from the map to make it easier for children to learn geography and there are over 100 of them.
  - nonethewiser 2y ago
    I mean… there has to be more to it than that right? But im also open to being red pilled on pluto.
    - gonzobonzo 2y ago
      That's mostly it. If you want to dive into the details, I recommend this debate[1]. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AFtgZP6Aa8&t=803s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AFtgZP6Aa8&t=803s
  - db48x 2y ago
    For a generation, schoolchildren everywhere memorized the names of the 12 planets: Mercury, Venus, Earth, Ceres, Pallas, Vesta, Juno, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune. The list was stable at 12 for about 40 years, but started growing again in the middle of the century. By 1868 there were 100 named asteroids. Not a single one has people living on it, so making children memorize their names was seen as a waste of time. Teach them about the asteroid belt and then move on to more important things. Likewise with the TNO: teach them about the Kuiper belt and the Oort cloud and then move on to more important things. No need to make them memorize Pluto, Haumea, Makemake, Gonggong, Quaoar, Sedna, and Orcus, nor any of the hundreds of other named TNO.

chess_buster 2y ago

Pluto for planet! https://www.planetarium-hamburg.de/en/pluto-for-planet https://www.planetarium-hamburg.de/en/pluto-for-planet

rini17 2y ago

The same happened to Ceres first. To be fair, Make Ceres A Planet Again!

metalman 2y ago
Ya, I know but Ceres is going to get pushed into an intersection with Mars to generate an atmosphere and a hydrological cycle .......testing on fusion rocket drives is ongoing https://newatlas.com/space/pulsar-fusion-rocket-design-slash-space-travel-times/ https://newatlas.com/space/pulsar-fusion-rocket-design-slash...
- QuadmasterXLII 2y ago
  I mean, if you’re pushing ceres around, teller and ulam already designed the ideal fusion rocket
- Qem 2y ago
  Hopefully the energy released would also remelt it and restart it's magnetic field, to avoid volatile loss again.
  - rini17 2y ago
    Remelting whole planet is such a nonsense, it would take millions of years for the large body as Mars to cool enough for surface to be usable. By the way, the loss of atmosphere takes millions of years too. The popular "we must restart mars magnetic field" trope likes to omit the fact. In the end occassional replenishment of volatiles would probably be cheaper.
juped 2y ago
Yes, Pluto is the tenth planet. To discover Planet 9, simply open your ephemerides and look for "Neptune".
- db48x 2y ago
  Back in the day Mercury, Venus, Earth, Ceres, Pallas, Vesta, Juno, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune were the 12 planets. You could kinda consider Pluto to be the 13th planet, but in 1930 when it was discovered there were already over 1000 named asteroids. So Pluto is the 1146th planet.
  - juped 2y ago
    Pallas and Vesta aren't gravitationally rounded, though. But then again, the Moon is (being much larger than Ceres). (It's just better numbered as planet 3-1.)
    - db48x 2y ago
      That wasn’t a requirement in 1930.
      - juped 2y ago
        It is required by me, now!
echelon 2y ago
If planets are required to clear their orbits, what was Jupiter called while the solar system was forming? A dwarf planet? A proto planet? The entire time? Was earth not a planet shortly before and after collision with Theia? The naming pedantry seems ridiculous given that we have such a small sample size.
- anton-c 2y ago
  I find that to be the most weird one too. I don't know much about orbital mechanics but in the unlikely chance 2 bodies shared an orbit does that mean they aren't planets then? How close can two planets be before losing that designation? I share your ire.
- stouset 2y ago
  Every single definition that segments a real world set of continuous objects into discrete buckets has surprising edge cases. This is basically inescapable. To steal a quote: All definitions are wrong. Some are useful.
- lupusreal 2y ago
  > If planets are required to clear their orbits, what was Jupiter called while the solar system was forming? Hell, what's it called now? Jupiter's orbit is shared with millions of Trojans. Many of them are more than a hundred kilometers in diameter; for reference, Deimos, one of Mars' moons, has a mean radius of about 6 km.

brookst 2y ago

This is especially important if it turnes out there is a black hole acting as an additional planet, since it justifies the “Planet X” name.

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rollcat 2y ago

The definition is pretty arbitrary. It's more interesting, what can we learn by studying that object. Even the trivia, like tidal locking, it was one of my 10000 moments (https://xkcd.com/1053/ https://xkcd.com/1053/).

gus_massa 2y ago

If you add Pluto, you must add also Eris and a few more, like 5 or more, and perhaps also Ceres. Here is a nice graphic that excludes Ceres https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwarf_planet#Population_of_dwarf_planets https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwarf_planet#Population_of_d...

ryao 2y ago
We should add those planets to the official list too. Gauss considered Ceres to be a planet and I believe him over living astronomers. The motivation for this dwarf planet nonsense was to try to keep the official planet list small so children could memorize them with ease, but that is absurd. We do not remove countries from the map to make it easier for children to learn geography and there are over 100 of them.
- nonethewiser 2y ago
  I mean… there has to be more to it than that right? But im also open to being red pilled on pluto.
  - gonzobonzo 2y ago
    That's mostly it. If you want to dive into the details, I recommend this debate[1]. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AFtgZP6Aa8&t=803s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AFtgZP6Aa8&t=803s
- db48x 2y ago
  For a generation, schoolchildren everywhere memorized the names of the 12 planets: Mercury, Venus, Earth, Ceres, Pallas, Vesta, Juno, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune. The list was stable at 12 for about 40 years, but started growing again in the middle of the century. By 1868 there were 100 named asteroids. Not a single one has people living on it, so making children memorize their names was seen as a waste of time. Teach them about the asteroid belt and then move on to more important things. Likewise with the TNO: teach them about the Kuiper belt and the Oort cloud and then move on to more important things. No need to make them memorize Pluto, Haumea, Makemake, Gonggong, Quaoar, Sedna, and Orcus, nor any of the hundreds of other named TNO.