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The point of standardizing on joules of work is to account for externalized costs. You can focus only on human effort, but at what cost? I'm still not sure why

• Dylan16807 2y ago
  It's a silly method of accounting for externalized costs. Joules don't hurt anyone. I only mention renewables because I'm grasping at straws to figure out why joules would matter.
  • _heimdall 2y ago
    Joules are just a measure of work, and this all started by an attempt to say how productive we are because we need fewer farmers today. My argument is that we only need fewer farmers because we found a cheap source of energy and have been using that to replace farmers. When looking at joules its an attempt to compare something like a human cutting a field with a scythe and a tractor cutting it with an implement. The tractor is way more efficient at cutting it when considering only the human hours of labor cutting the field. But of course it is, a single barrel of oil has way more energy potential and even a small tractor will be run with fuel milage tracked by gallons per hour.
    • Dylan16807 2y ago
      But we can get joules for free. I really don't understand your use of the term "externalized cost" here.
    • Retric 2y ago
      Farmers were already using the cheapest source of energy, sunlight. Oil came late to the party here after plant matter and coal because it was slightly more convenient not because it has more energy. Back in the day, wood powered tractors beat the fuck out of horses, and horses beat the fuck out of human labor because they could digest cellulose. Oil is just very slightly cheaper. Even today people heat their homes with both wood pellets and oil, meanwhile there’s cheaper alternatives.